ep23 – Philip & Mary Wilson

This week I interview my good friends Philip and Mary Wilson. Philip Wilson has been hairdresser to celebrities and royalty and is the creator of the twin brush, twin comb cutting technique and has been the artistic director for many brands. Mary Wilson is a CEO, an educator, a marketing wizard and worked with many brands. This episode is packed with profound reflections on their hairdressing journey.

  • Hear how both Mary and Philip got started in teaching
  • They share why they decided to evolve into owning their own product line
  • Philip shares the importance of personal development and personal branding

Complete Transcript

Chris Baran 0:09
How great would it be to get up close and personal with the beauty industry heroes? We love and admire and to ask them, How did you learn to do what you do? I’m Chris Baran, a hairstylist and educator for 40 plus years. And I’m inviting all our heroes to chat and share the secrets of their success

the sum of the whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts. Now, that’s one of my favorite expressions. And the reason why I’m putting that right now is because this podcast is a really special one for me, because not only does it have to have my very dear friends that are on there, but

on their own, they’re incredible people, incredible educators and industry leaders, but together they just really can move mountains. So I want to talk to you just a little bit first of all he owns he’s been a salon owner before he’s been hairdressers to the celebrities and royalty. He’s represented many brands and he’s creator of the twin brush, twin comb cutting technique. He has been artistic director with numerous brands. She’s a hairdresser, she has been in corporate life with the product and brand development, marketing, education and all of those. She is a yogi, she I don’t know if that’s female or male, but I’ll keep it at that she is a certified yoga instructor. She’s teamed up with Ann Mincey to create the destination rejuvenation retreats together. They are a dynamic duo that shares everybody how to grow a brand collectively with salons that join the Wilson collective so let’s get into this week’s head cases. Philip and Mary Wilson Philip and Mary Wilson it is an absolute freakin honor to have you guys on Strava you know like we’ve been friends for what now 28 years and we’re on the road all the time and hard to get a chance to visit that much except it shows on here so I’m super excited about having you guys on board welcome Darren we are to you or to you or to magnificent people is when we are also if we’re going for using Grammarly now we have Grammarly not only on our apps, but we have it in real life. Guys, it’s super exciting because we go way back. I mean, before we talk a little bit about that I you know, I’m sure that I don’t know where and why people wouldn’t know who the hell you guys are. But just give us an you know, you’re gonna tell my my readership and the kinds of things that I watch on TV, but I remember there’s if you guys ever remember with kids, you had the Big Comfy Couch. And and you had what was that lunette the clown and her dog or doll Molly and ever either does never okay, well, they have if you’ve ever heard of the 10 second tidy, they always do the 10 second tidy, we had to go around tidy the room. And that’s kind of where I want to do just for the Reader’s Digest version. I just want to give us just a little bit of background so people know, where are you from where you came. How did you start out? How do you get to blooded hair? How did you get into it? So ladies first.

Mary Wilson 3:28
Okay, thanks, Chris. i Okay, so 10 seconds, maybe 15? Well, you

Chris Baran 3:32
can Yeah, that’s that’s the euphemism here.

Mary Wilson 3:35
I’m coming up on 40 years in June, from my graduation started

Chris Baran 3:39
when you were three. .

Mary Wilson 3:41
My mom was a hairdresser.That’s all I ever wanted to do. And I was like, Okay, so I’m gonna go to beauty school when I was in school. I really didn’t have the knack for the makeover. The change, which I learned, I really learned and understood. Years later, it was very technical, great teacher, if you brought a picture, I can execute it. But if someone came to me with long straightener and said, do whatever you want, I was terrified. So I chose to become an instructor. And then I became a recruiter for the school. So I sold cosmetology because I loved it so much, moved to California started working for product companies. Many years later, I’m still in it sales, education platform artists, teacher guru in regards to wellness and health and started doing retreats with our dear friend Ann Mincey. About 17 years ago, we started doing wellness to be retreats back when you know, no one knew what meditation or deep breathing was. And so really proud of that. I then became a yogi, in my 50th year on this planet, so I went to my certification training for yoga, combining those things together and then started our own business in 2019 with Wilson collective

Chris Baran 4:50
that are bringing out a breath of breath.

Mary Wilson 4:56
Move cross country three, four times.

Chris Baran 4:59
Yeah. Oh, I’m gonna later I want to get into how you guys met but Philip, the rundown?

Philip Wilson 5:06
Well, I was asked to leave school.

Chris Baran 5:08
Okay, good. Thank you, Mary.

So let’s go

seriously Philip No. I couldn’t pass that up though.

Philip Wilson 5:29
I know I know I get it out of school at 15,16 left the south of England and went to Paris there I became a shampoo boy and a toilet cleaner for Alexandra of Paris. Wow, thirtyfive years later, when Mary and I were there with L’Oreal met him. He walked down the stairs and out of his mouth says Philippe, and I went, Wow, Mary and I are just standing. I was mesmerized from their saloons, where I got to get my greasy nose off of the window by a very famous hairdresser. My mentor became his assistant and blow dry assistant that into Harrods in London where I worked and over on to the island, Guernsey Jersey Sark, then back into London, then Vancouver in Canada, where I work with Crimpers and Stuart Alexander. Then from there started my own business with my very close friend John Paul Holt helped me open up the avant garde salons in Vancouver, North Van West Van blah blah blah. Then I was asked to down to LA with a company called Lanza as the art director global if I would look at the position and I met this girl here yeah, she fell madly in love with so there from that, then started touring worldwide, then joined L’Oreal first Redken, that is Kerastase. And then FHI blah blah blah on into Wilson Collective with my beautiful wife and I 2019 Wow. Didn’t get me once and no

Chris Baran 7:13
net Well, I got you once at the beginning and I thought I didn’t want to interrupt the flow. So listen, so but I want to know a little bit the intricacies here. I mean, I’m sure it wasn’t you walked in the room wasn’t walking in the room and you guys do Oh, googly eyes. And there you were, or was it did when one of you wanted the other and the other one went? Well, you know, sell me on this. Switch. Well, yeah, I’m, I’m gonna leave it up to you. But I’m gonna take a wild stab. voting. Voting here. Okay. Okay, Phillip. Phillip buttons. They had to do the sale.

Philip Wilson 7:53
Yeah. Okay, good. Mary, Philip. Yeah, no, I do. Yeah. Well, tell

Chris Baran 7:58
us about it. What happened?

Mary Wilson 7:59
So I would say that the great, Chris because you do know us and you understand this. Like I walked in and said, I’ve never been on stage before. I was supposed to emcee him cutting hair. I’m like, so you need to tell me what it is that you do. And then he’s like, let me get John Bertarelli on the phone. And they’re just like bantering back and forth. And I’m like, I walked out of the room, like, I still have no idea what they do. So I guess I will just talk about what I know, which was the product so I stood between them on stage, helping people understand what they were even talking about.

Chris Baran 8:33
That was when we were that was with L’Anza. Yeah, that was,

Mary Wilson 8:36
that would have been the mid 80s. Now how to

Chris Baran 8:39
tell me how the now we’re gonna go back to the romance part in that and how that goes a bit. How did you that was when he was with L’Anza. So how did you come into this situation?

Speaker 2 8:48
So I was actually already at L’Anza salons. Yeah, when I moved to California, I mean, this is kind of a story for another time, but it’s actually shows a how old I am and how much technology has changed our lives. But I read an ad in the paper and I drove my little GLC Mazda GLC sport from Riverside to Irwindale. With a map book

Chris Baran 9:09
the paper map of course, because there’s no GPS then.

Mary Wilson 9:13
I was 45 minutes late for the interview. And the guy that I once I was finished with the interview, I had to tell him that I didn’t have any more money he gave me $5 to get gas to drive back home. I got the job.

Chris Baran 9:26
No way. No way. And a break from that they put you in sales.

Mary Wilson 9:31
So yes, exactly. So I was in sales and then education regional educator helped distributors like set up their warehouse and just sort of grew with the company. So I was there 10 years and Philip was there eight so really, it was it was such an incredible experience to grow up with the company. I mean, truly, we traveled the world. We had incredible opportunities and we were building you know, we were building something new and and as we got, you know, to travel Oh, that’s also how we really got to know each other. We were friends first, which many relationships I’d had didn’t weren’t really like that. So it was really nice to get to know him. And then, and then we fell in love.

Chris Baran 10:12
Yeah, well, so shut up, Phil. I really wanted this all with Mary. Listen, I want to know the what was the length of time in there between like when you guys were were friends and like, when did you guys when did this happen that all of a sudden you had Oh, good. Now now, I want to know what what was the length of time from the time you’re on stage to get until you you guys actually your window?

Mary Wilson 10:41
Yeah. Because time for him to.

Philip Wilson 10:45
Yeah, I just kept fighting off. It’s not an easy task versus you can well appreciate

Chris Baran 10:52
it. Well, we see how amazing you look. And I, I get that from all the women that are around us.

Mary Wilson 10:58
When we when we first started traveling together like he and John Bertarelli, they shared it was like a motel and he’s like, he said, We’ll knock you up at eight o’clock tomorrow morning. I’m like, oh, no, you don’t say that in America?

Chris Baran 11:15
Yeah, just for clarity for the people that aren’t from the UK. Knocking knocking you up just means I’ll call you. I’ll give you a bell. I’ll knock on your door in the morning. Yes, yeah, we the

Philip Wilson 11:27
cool thing was that we the three of us were really put to the test on the circuit worldwide, but we were in Korea in Seoul. And never apparently we were the first occasion to ever do a hair show there in the city. And I think there were like 5000 hairdressers with cameras. So all you heard all day was clicking you see hands up way of world then. And Mary had to be with an interpreter between John and I. And we were so off

Chris Baran 11:58
and that was for English. Yeah.

Philip Wilson 12:02
It was It was unbelievable. I thought she can survive this. She can do

Mary Wilson 12:06
it say hold the hair at this angle. And then she’d say like 10 sentences really cool. This can be a really long show.

Philip Wilson 12:15
But she kept approaching me Chris I kept fighting her off being the gentleman I am and that it happened. Yeah, well,

Chris Baran 12:23
just for those people that are are listening. Um, let me translate the look that was on Mary’s face. Who is kind of aghast is what? And then there was that sideways blushing glance. So I’m sensing that there was just a tiny bit of truth in there, but not at all.

Philip Wilson 12:41
So no, the entire thing was a lie. So

Chris Baran 12:45
what was the what was the what was the this last thing and this last? I want to just go on to this now we’re gonna move on. But it was so you guys just finally just went okay, dude. We’ve been friends for this long and now it’s now it’s love.

Philip Wilson 13:00
I honestly, I know it sounds somewhat of a cliche, but I fell in love with her the minute I saw her. It’s as simple as that. I was no I was always in love with her and I thought we we should make this happen but she was not into it. At first it was more on a friendship base. And then

Mary Wilson 13:20
a couple of years younger than you as well. Just a few well you can tell people no complimentary 27 years in July.

Chris Baran 13:34
Yeah, so congratulations.

Philip Wilson 13:37
All ending this would- I’m in love with her today is the day I matter.

Chris Baran 13:45
That’s awesome. Awesome. So let’s let’s say just that now you got started in how do you both got in started on teaching? Because I don’t know if yours came later Mary but how did you guys both get started in the teaching side.

Mary Wilson 13:59
So for me it was when when I started going even out to high schools, I was in speech and debate in high school like I went to competitions where you recited poetry and that sort of thing. And so I was really into speaking and we would go at that point we would go to any of the high school classes like they had the whole map class and we talk about general you know, care about how kids should take care of their hygiene or we talk to the typing students about applying for jobs and how to interview so so my teaching sort of really started you know, long before my sales side and my you know, marketing side I think I’m just I’m a teacher at heart. Phillip just wants me to shut up

Chris Baran 14:48
like for you what you’re a hairdresser you’re traveling the world started all over came to Vancouver, British Columbia. So but But how was the instance where did it happen? They don’t The second

Philip Wilson 15:00
honestly, Chris was Vancouver, when I was asked by one of the vocational Institute in Vancouver, for hairdressing, and so on. And he just one day we were doing some competition work. And the lady that was running the school says, anyway, any of your guys, and we were at Crimpers at the time, and with Paul Stein and Brad Bleeker, who were like Crimper boys of British Columbia, with one of your guys come down and maybe chat to the students. And I got rolled into it, not sure I wanted to do it hadn’t really no interest in doing it. Then when I sat there for an hour with them talking, I realized that this is an area that I have instantly fell in love with and fallen into. And that was the late 70s.

Chris Baran 15:48
Nice, nice. So the and when we’ve been together the equity exchange, we’ve worked together, we’ve been on stages together, etc. But you know, I really want the you guys started and I can see your your product range behind you, etcetera, in there. And you guys got you guys got a readers? What was it? I just wrote some notes on you got a Reader’s Choice Award from Launchpad.

Mary Wilson 16:17
20 and 2021. Yeah,

Chris Baran 16:19
no. So now. So you’ve been with manufacturers and you’ve been like, you know, you’ve been either separately as in the corporation, artistic directors, etc. What made this job where you went, woke up in the morning had a little stretch? And I want to I want to start a product line?

Philip Wilson 16:42
Well, let me do a little bit and you do and you do it. I think with me, Chris, it was I worked so hard promoting products around the world, that eventually, in one manufacturers working for a New York in Manhattan. I was told that the product line would only appear in one cell on in a five mile radius. And they wanted to keep it purely for hairdressing salons and so on. And over a period of a year or two, it went into others all of a sudden now you started getting calls from Santa is gonna do what was going on, buddy products everywhere. And then from there on, and notice products and CVS involved. Like it’s just spreading everywhere. And I thought it’s just no, this is not what, what I want to do. I don’t want to stand on the stage when someone says Excuse me, but I just saw a bundle that in Costco and Walmart. And I thought, that’s it we have, we have to evolve into doing our own thing. Well, that’s what I felt.

Mary Wilson 17:43
In 2018, Philip had a life threatening illness, he had sepsis, and he lost 35 pounds, had to walk with a walker for you know, several months he was on a PICC line for with an antibiotic and so for all so we looked at it and said it’s just it’s time to take control of this ourselves. Right. It’s he was traveling every weekend for a company which was great, but at some point, as you know, road warriors, it just, it’s hard on you. And he he really wasn’t in a position where he felt like that was something he wanted to continue to do. It wasn’t it wasn’t the final story for him. And so we wanted to do a small boutique offering we started out as a direct business and we you know, we drove we have a an RV that is wrapped with our brand, we just brought it from our store and you know, up till we hit the road this Saturday again, so we’d love to tell you a little bit more about that. But we wrapped it with our brand. It’s a full RV, we we live in it on the road, and we used to every year we would drive to or we would fly and ship our bikes to Boston with Neil Duke off and do this MS bike ride. So we thought well that year we just put the bikes in the back and we would drive and so because we’d already had the plan to go there. We stopped and visited friends along the way. So we had a salon here and a salon there the salon here to salon there and probably you know, if somebody was looking at the business, they said you should just have started at one market and you know, work there but it our business is it’s a small boutique brand, but it supports our lifestyle and our lifestyle goes hand in hand with it. So as you you know, as you know, as you get older, you want to enjoy that time that you have in the best way possible. And so we were able to combine that cross country trip along with launching some, some some of our friends across the country, and then COVID hit so just like everyone else, we were 100% grounded, and we were able to keep in touch with most of those salons and but sometimes if you’re not able to visit somebody and spend time with them, you know, maybe somebody else gets in there and and creates a new relationship and so, so in 2021 Um, as we were kind of coming out of that, we we did start to launch some we’re working with some smaller, independent boutique distributors that are also, you know, have fewer lines and really can can focus, we know that as a small independent brand. We need people that are actually going to go into salons get behind it be excited and support the brand. Yeah. And so we’ve made you know, in those four years, it really does feel a lot like we’re still just the little, the little baby, we are still the little baby brand. This is quite reflective.

Chris Baran 20:31
So that’s how every other major brands started. They didn’t start off, you don’t start off that way, you have to start off somewhere. But

Mary Wilson 20:38
you know, that some people would say they’re like, you’re, you know, it’s four years later, and you’re still in it. So

Philip Wilson 20:44
you can’t count. They just say, oh, yeah, so

Chris Baran 20:46
you had a total different model? Because I’m understanding and that was it. From my recollection. You know, the domain. name itself, Wilson collective was the fact that you got the salons involved. Right? Yeah. And so tell us a little bit about that. And then so you got How did you get salons? Well, what would they get? And what what like, what was their incentives with you guys?

Mary Wilson 21:13
So we have we do have a rewards program. And we also have, of course, the education and we have tools and shears and events and happenings. So it’s really the collective is really the people, right, so so many of the, you know, honestly many of the things that had we been able to continue to sell direct and have the growth, then our goal was to be able to give back to salons. But unfortunately, you know, we weren’t able to be out there enough to make that model work. So we because we’re now selling, you know, through distributors and having that support of them and because it I think what we learned and we pay attention as we go along is that salons do want somebody to come in and perhaps take their order for them or spend time helping them understand the lines that they carry. And of course the industry has changed a lot too. And and you know, stylists are more fragmented, more spread out a lot of independent stylists, which our brand is really great for that because we have such a small number of SKUs and it’s really there’s no duplication in our line. We have one fabulous detailer, we don’t have 30 You know, so they don’t have to make decisions about what to carry. So we’ve had some really great success with independent stylists.

Philip Wilson 22:28
It’s a three system line Chris we’ve got be strong calm down and volume up. And there’s only 14 skews but it works out perfect. That answers all what’s needed behind the chair. And it’s not on Amazon it’s not on right it’s not in drugs. It’s not it’s very pure Cylon only and that’s why we did this. We thought giving our friends or our associates align this not everywhere is exclusively for salons

Chris Baran 22:57
and marry you like because you used to suffer from migraines and have problems with frequencies etc. And that helped apart with with some of the lines tell us give us a little bit of that history. Like why like there’s something special about the Wilson collective products

Mary Wilson 23:13
we yeah, we chose to use only essential oils in our fragrancing for that exact reason. So there’s no artificial pregnancy of this quick flash fragrance experience but you don’t have a lingering scent. Yeah, I can’t even I can’t walk by Bed Bath and Bodyworks you know, in a mall. I’m like are going to a candle store. You know, the Yankee Candle? I’m like, No,

Chris Baran 23:35
yeah, yeah, you’re like immediate migraine.

Mary Wilson 23:39
Exactly. Yeah, so so that was that was big for us too. And we also had poor soy candles for each of our flavors too. So we have rosemary and grapefruit we have lavender and Jasmine so and that’s also a bonus that salons get when the stylists are sorry part of the opening orders they get a matching number of candles for the shampoos and conditioners. So yes, yeah. We’re still on our own website. And we what we did is we talked about protecting the relationship that the stylist has with their client, we sell for $4 higher per retail skew. So that if somebody goes online, pulls up their phone and says Thanks for telling me about that. I found it here. They actually are able to they’re actually able to say well you know that’s $29 online it’s $25 if you you know purchase it from me

Chris Baran 24:28
nice nice so that gives them their little kickback or whatever. Yeah, guys listen just for anybody that’s watching on here right now if you there’s a QR code that comes up if you want more information on on with the Wilson collective This will take you to the site and give you some more information on that. So because to me, I think that’s that’s the really I think it’s got to be about hairdressers that how do we help other hairdressers get to what they need and what they want and we need to always be supporting to one another. I want to go back to your RV runs and Oh, that must have been I know that there’s only a certain amount of people that can work and live together all the time, like my wife, Rita. And I do. And, and I know I don’t suggest it for most people because it you have to be a special have a special relationship in order to do it. What was it like when you’re on the road? Give us a? What was it like from? You’re going on one now? Right? You’ve got one coming up to give us the kind of what’s the gist, like? So you’re going out? And you’re promoting your product? Phillip, you’re doing the classes, you’re doing all of those things. Tell us about it. I know you want to hear about our driving and all that. Well, we can go into that a little bit. But

Philip Wilson 25:40
he was our thing. When when people say Oh, so you’re going on vacation. That’s fantastic. And I’m like, Honey, you need to get a reality check. To we did 47 states 61,000 miles. Wow. Visiting salons and and schools schools and, and really got into a system where there are certain rules that you must abide by. I don’t set those rules, Chris. I abide by

Chris Baran 26:14
them. Okay, good. As long as you’re

Philip Wilson 26:16
biting consequence is

Chris Baran 26:19
very chilly trip to the next location.

Philip Wilson 26:23
But it’s here, what’s the real cool thing about it? When it’s your bed and your little apartment on wheels? You know everything about it? No, we’re going into hotels, and we’ll name any hotels but in general, and you go into the hotel, and they were dirty. And they had no staff. There was no heart any clean. And we thought why don’t we just stay in our own place?

Mary Wilson 26:46
Post COVID Yeah, lack of staff. Yeah, yeah. Just were like, oh, wait a minute. We know this bed and we know this shower. So yeah, we enjoy being in our own in our own space. So no. So the rules are one person can’t drive for more than two hours. And this one tries to break that he’s like, I’m fine. I’m fine. I can keep driving like, No, it’s my turn. So we got people like Do you drive that thing? I’m like, awesome. I drive it like it’s

Philip Wilson 27:14
a cheap, like a truck. And she’s

Chris Baran 27:18
big. Does this give us an idea of how big this this RV is? It’s 25

Mary Wilson 27:22
feet. So yeah, it’s not huge.

Philip Wilson 27:27
Well, for you, Chris, you’d appreciate this. It’s like a one bedroom New York apartment on wheels. Yes.

Chris Baran 27:33
Only bigger. Yeah. It’s on wheels.

Philip Wilson 27:39
Wheels. And that’s it. But it works perfectly for me.

Chris Baran 27:43
And so how do you plan a kind of a circuitous route. I don’t even know if that’s a word. But you plan a route that you go through and do and

Speaker 2 27:55
then sometimes the people that we’re planning to spend time with change that and we have to So in 2019, like we had that we were out for nine months, and we had it all sort of figured out and reached out and talk with friends. So this time, it’s it’s interesting how things have changed. This time. We’re like, okay, we’d like to go here. We’ve got this pencil in we’re doing the Tracey Potnick is doing her first ever hair show in seventh springs, Pennsylvania. I don’t know if you’ve seen anything on that. But she’s bringing back a show that was held there for many years. And she is she has salon training is her company and she has salon training website. And she decided to do the show. So we’re gonna be there. And then we go to New York and we’re launching Pierre Marco, which is our New York City, New Jersey distributor. Then we fly to Miami, we leave the RV in Connecticut with our friend Neil. Thank you Neil

Chris Baran 28:48
Yeah, hopefully you’ll have you’ll have wheels when you come back. Yeah.

Mary Wilson 28:52
Green Green Deep River green or deep river, Connecticut. I think it’s a pretty trustworthy place. It’s not New York City or leaving. Gotcha. So we fly to Miami then we come back so we’re probably going to leave that my family is all in Iowa, which is where I’m from and so we have you know, the ability to leave it there and kind of fly home which is what we last summer we did a month out a month back home a month out and then we’d fly

Chris Baran 29:16
out. So it’s not you’re not doing a nine month solid gig again. This is just no Yeah, otherwise what the hell do you need an apartment or a house for? Yeah,

Philip Wilson 29:25
exactly. I mean, it’s funny since we sold Palm Springs we realized you owned

Chris Baran 29:32
Palm Springs

Mary Wilson 29:36
I love you so much. You own Yeah, we sold it pretty cheap though. Yes, we got a few 100,000 Yeah.

Chris Baran 29:47
And if you liked this bridge over here, I’ll add that in. So the what’s the relation? What’s the what’s it like being on the road together all the time because if you’re driving etc I guess I don’t I think the only good thing is if I know is that if you’re not driving you can drink until two hours late, okay, well, yeah, there’s

Philip Wilson 30:12
that. I’m behind the wheel. Yeah, I’m driving Mary’s in the back on the computer bobbing up and down working, or she sat beside me working. Then when Mary takes over and drives, I just go and take a nap.

Chris Baran 30:31
Yeah, she’ll support you. But when it comes to her, she can stay awake on her own.

Mary Wilson 30:36
Exactly like it is we’re at home.

Chris Baran 30:38
No, that’s awesome. Well, I have to be the first

Mary Wilson 30:41
that first. Honestly, that first year was everything. Everything was completely out of body. We had no, we had no expectations. We had no idea what would happen we thought I really thought that Philip could be driving and I’d be with on the table in the back, you know, working and so if you can’t do that, you can’t have phone calls. It’s too loud. And you know, you’re you’re writing you’re driving so you can be on your phone a little bit. But so we you know, we learned and we also just like one time, I was driving he got like, really, he got really mad at me. And he went back and he slammed the door to like the bedroom air I go what do you think I’m gonna come back there while I’m driving?

Philip Wilson 31:23
I don’t know you needed to bring that well, it happens.

Chris Baran 31:28
Husbands and wives never fight no.

Mary Wilson 31:30
Never agree on everything. We we had some moments

Philip Wilson 31:35
we do. But you know, I love being with her. There, you know, why do I know people maybe

Chris Baran 31:45
just as an FYI, I just hope I’m sorry, Phillip go ahead and do that. Just so everybody knows that. We’re watching and listening right now. When we contacted we contacted each other about getting on this and, and it was one of those? Well, I’ll do yours if you do mind. So literally this morning at 1030. Before this, I was on Phillip and Mary’s podcasts. And they were and they’re coming back on here after notes. But the reason why I want to bring that up, is because of one thing we talked about on there. And that and that is that the reason why I keep going back to how you guys are a great couple. And I think that while you guys both have your own influence, there’s so many artists that are on the road that have this force behind them, you know, the there’s this family unit behind them that it could never have happened if if somebody didn’t give up something so that dreams for the family as a whole could come through? You know, and I thought that was just a really what’s your take on that? What’s your, what’s your feeling on that?

Philip Wilson 32:53
Well, I think of all the podcasts and all the Zooms that we have done, it was probably the most emotional little window of time I’ve had is what I have with you this morning. Because there are sacrifices, there are immense sacrifices. And as you and Rita know, as Mary and I know it, it’s the children aspect of it, you miss so much of kids growing up and doing their sports and that occasionally you might get something from while you’re never around to see it. So why do we need to talk about it and it, it hits you in the heart like a bolt of lightning, but you pursue what you started to do. I think if you don’t have someone behind you, or the PERT your partner like traveling this same journey that you’re on, it’s not possible, right? This is not complicated, just not possible. And that’s the God’s honest truth. I’ve had it there. So I’ve been able to do it. But it’s it’s it’s not an easy road.

Chris Baran 34:06
Yeah. When when people come up, and they see you guys on the road, and they, they they always say well, I want to do what you do. I know what do you what do you say to them?

Mary Wilson 34:19
You know, it is You we were talking before we started about the you know, you think about everything that we’ve experienced and the years of different opportunities and failures and you know, being fired. I’ve been fired once and I thought everyone saw looked at me and knew I’d been fired. And I was so devastated. And that like everything that happens leads you to what’s next. And so I think that in order to even think about doing what we’re doing, you either need a huge investor or you need a whole lot of experience and for us we had the whole lot of experience. We are self funded, we know how to to to We manage our business in a way that it grows organically. Yeah, by we I mean I

Philip Wilson 35:07
95, five CEO,

Mary Wilson 35:09
supportive husband, labor, labor, labor. Okay, thanks time for your CEO. And it’s been really challenging. You know, it’s been incredibly, incredibly challenging. And I think that you have to be resilient, whatever it is that you decide that you want to do, you need to have a really big Y, that you’re reminding yourself every single day, and then you need to have those what’s, what are you going to do to get to that next place? Or even if there’s a day, when you really don’t know, like, during COVID? It’s like, what can I do? Instead of all the things that you think about that are holding you back? What can I do today to make a difference in one person, who can I call on the phone today, and hopefully, you know, help cheer them up, which Wallace have helped make me feel better sort of thinking about those those darker times, and then letting go of all the things that we can’t control. So, you know, I don’t not too many people have ever said, I want to I want to do what you’re doing. But they maybe they they think that but it’s it’s it’s not for the faint of heart. And you know, to because you’ve branched out on your own and done lots of different lots of different incredible things. And some are successful, and some are not. And part of it too, is letting the ego go and when something isn’t working, shifting and changing. Yeah. And I will say, as a female CEO, and there’s tons of female business owners in our business, there’s something about being a woman leader that makes everyone feel like they should tell you what to do. It’s like, I didn’t ask for your advice, you know, what you guys should be doing? It’s like, oh, you know, let me you do that when you start your own company, and I’ll keep doing what we’re doing. And yeah, so it’s that’s been interesting challenge for me. And of course, Philip is, is always incredibly supportive of that. And of me, and so that makes me really proud.

Philip Wilson 37:07
Yeah, as treasurer was that that thing, Chris, of where you get people, when you say about, they’d love to do what we’re doing. There’s also the other aspect that Mary just referred to, is when someone tells you to do they would do this, or you should go this way or that way. Before you answer or acknowledge that into a conversation, find out what their background is. It’s like saying, I wouldn’t drive a car certain way. And you say, well, when did you drive that car? Well, I haven’t. Yeah, we hear that. And that pisses me off a lot.

Mary Wilson 37:41
And at the end of the day, we have to be satisfied with our decisions. And we have to feel, you know, go to sleep at night and wake up in the morning and be proud of who we are and what we stand for. And where we are, we’re not going to change that just because the industry is shifting and changing. We’re didn’t come into this to be like everyone else, we really did want to be professional, boutique key supporting salons, supporting professionals, great education, and community, like you said, That’s what the word collective means to us is creating that community. And growing that organically not buying 100,000 followers on Instagram. I mean, we all we don’t all know, I should say we know, you know, and we know that there are ways to make yourself look bigger and more successful than you are. And, you know, we just don’t subscribe to that. Yes.

Chris Baran 38:34
It’s better to go there. Keep it right, you know what you did? And you can sleep at night? What do you want to go back to? Because you know, well, there’s a lot of the listeners and viewers here might not want to start your own product line now. But they’ve still got businesses, whether it’s somebody that’s at the chair, doing hair, that’s their business, whether you own the business, whether it’s independent, or you have a team based, or commission based salon, that there’s those hardships you go through? What would you what advice would you give for people when, because I don’t know about you, but sometimes there’s that time when you just get hit between the eyes and you just say, Look, can I just go to bed and cover up and put my thumb on my mouth and get my Wahby and just cry myself to sleep? But you know, there, what do you what do you suggest for people when they have those hard moments?

Mary Wilson 39:30
Yeah. So for me, I think you allow yourself to have to feel that way. So like I’ll say, Well, this is shocking information that we just received. I’m just going to sit in it and allow myself to feel bad for this period of time, a day or two days, you know, and just kind of I think that we adjust to new news, and then we decide what we want to do about that. Right. And then also just you and I know you talked about this a lot to Chris’s house. Having systems in place like we, in order to impact change, we have to know what do we have to do differently? And how do we then move forward by setting those? What are we going to do to be able to change that? Or what should we analyze in order to make the decision about how to change? I hear a lot of unfortunately, I feel like people are sometimes saying, Well, this, you know, I can’t get ahead, and I can’t do this, and I can’t do that. And then that same person says, Oh, I bought this new outfit, oh, I bought this skin cream. I was like, Okay, so, you know, we, we don’t buy what we can’t afford, we pay off our credit cards every month, you know. So I think it’s really financially, you need to live within your means and be good with that, whatever that looks like. And then setting those goals and working to achieve those both personal and professional. As we talked about in destination rejuvenation, Andy and I, physically, are you strong, you know, we need to protect our bodies in this industry necks and shoulders and you know that we’re eating right, and that we’re getting enough sleep sleep is critical to critical thinking. And when you don’t get enough sleep, you have that drowsy, weird wanna start crying like achy feeling. And I’m afraid that some people are chronically in that state. So they’re the people who say, I don’t need more than four or five hours a night and it’s like, well, you might not know what it would feel like to have it. Yeah. So I think sleep is critical to

Philip Wilson 41:30
get you get enough sleep. I’m very fortunate that I can do seven, eight hours. Not a problem. Yeah, even with where we’re at, in our personal lives. business professional lives. It’s, I think the number one thing is, is when people can’t admit it or deny it, right? This is my key factors is when I know a person a friend and associate is beyond stressed at an on monumental level. I’m going what just say you are don’t don’t try to make when you’re in a place. That’s really uncomfortable. And it meant when you’re in a place where you really don’t know how to get the hell out of it. Right. And I’ve learned this so late in life, Chris. I really have. Mary has taught me that. If you’re having a shitty day, it’s okay. Yeah. You don’t need to say every day is freaking awesome. Because here’s a reality check. It’s not. Yeah, some days you just want to go back to bed. Right? So it makes it you won’t be with with

Chris Baran 42:48
your wabi

Mary Wilson 42:51
sabi. It’s like a little cuddly thing, whatever.

Chris Baran 42:53
It’s like your blanket. Yeah. And then you and you got to remember your thumbs in your mouth. You always have to hook

Philip Wilson 43:01
in, off that you when I was tell you one of my things driving, I’ll really just go and drive

Mary Wilson 43:09
No, two hours, and then your two hours of driving? I know. I’m kidding.

Chris Baran 43:13
You forgot that. Yeah. Well, you you guys could give you could have, you could have bonuses. You know, if he does something right, you can give him another 15 minutes of driving. See, but I love that there was something that you said there, Mary that I really loved about how to work with new news. Because so many people would say, Well, you know, I got a shit show that just happened or, you know, this bad news or something hit me because I always find that so many people, the stories you create in your brain, when you get some news, new news, and then they tend up obsessing over it to have never happened. Or even if it does happen, it’s never as bad as you think it’s going to be. Yeah, you know, Chris, are you listening to yourself right now? Yes, I am. Okay, good, is that I think that that’s generally what happens with people and if you can just treat it as news.

Mary Wilson 44:07
Right. And so Annie and I teach in Destin, he or she teaches in Heart Math, don’t retell it because all those same cortisol and all those negative things released in your body when you’re telling the story. So then you call it something happened. And then you call your friends and you want everybody on your team to be on board with you. And every time you retell it you’re launching those negative hormones in your body again to so the ability your right to tell your brain. Let’s not focus on this. Let’s just let it settle in so that then we can be more objective about it. Yeah. In a day or two. Yeah.

Chris Baran 44:44
What? Give us a little bit more about like, what do you and Annie cover in?

Mary Wilson 44:50
Wow, well, so in 2004 when she was three or four, when she launched her book Get Glowing. I was at a seminar what with her, and I was there representing the global salon Business Awards for Paula cat Meaghan so I when I was working for them, and she was launching your book, and we had this opportunity, you know, Annie, every show, she has a line of people waiting to speak to her, and she gives them her undivided attention. And that’s one of the things that I admire about her the most. And so, this at this conference a couple of times, breakfast and lunch, I would walk in, and she was there alone. And you know, so God just kept putting us together. I was reading her book, and I said, What would you think if we took this, these five points of your book, The Body thoughts and emotions, our relationships, how we give back and how we save, and we turned it into a workshop? And she said, I think that would be incredible. But I, you know, I wouldn’t know how to do that. And we were colleagues at Redken. We were L’Oreal friends when I was with matrix, but we were never close friends. So it really she’s like, Yeah, I think that would be incredible. And I said, I love to organize events and experiences, we can do it in Laguna Beach, which is, to me one of the most beautiful, spiritual, special places to get to be an experience. And so yeah, we started she’s like, okay, you know, you put it together, I’ll do that with you. And so you know, 19, I would say this, we’ve done 17, in probably 18 years. This year, we’re not doing one because of the fact that we were scheduled to be on this cruise. So we will have dates set for next year again, but we do part of it is silent, we do. We talk about you know how to manage your body, your thoughts and emotions, then, of course, your relationships, which are so important, your money, and then taking all of that into a place where you you’ve got such great handle on that, that you have the ability to give back. And so

Chris Baran 46:45
it’s interesting what you say there because, you know, a good friend of mine, teacher, and as viewers, I know you we’ve all been in trainings with him before with Blair Singer. And Blair always talks about how what most people want, want a quick fix, fix on like, if the economy goes down, then I’m gonna take a class on sales, or if I’m gonna, if I want to do a missing this, when this is happening, then I’m going to take that class, when unless you’ve got some, when you’re missing personal development, you can have all that stuff, and you’ll just do it, but you’ll never do anything about it. And so I really see what you and Annie are doing, which are really helps to be personal developed, you’re developing people personally, so that they can have greater success and what they do.

Mary Wilson 47:31
So if we have to check in every year to and make sure that we’re doing all those things, so it’s really helped us over the years to be like, Oh, have I did eye contact, if I had all my doctor’s appointments and all that, you know, we’ve got the, you know, all the different checkpoints. And it’s, it’s awesome President Of course, in that time, too, we’ve become, you know, really close friends, she teaches we all we teach together a program we put together called I am a great presenter, because we believe that everyone has it in them, I know that you are also coaching in that same area. So we’ve all as you said, we’ve all been blessed with corporate trainings that you know, with some of the best trainers in the world, and that’s just not as readily available to, to people today. So it’s wonderful that we and you are sharing that knowledge that

Chris Baran 48:22
we have, if people want to know more about that, about how to get involved with that, where would they go? What would they do.

Mary Wilson 48:28
So we have a we do have a Facebook page for I am a great presenter, and they really, we would love for them to join our Wilson collective pros only Facebook group. So again, when we first started really wanting to be very professional, we didn’t want to put a lot of the pro stuff onto Instagram and on to YouTube. So all most of our content is delivered through that private Facebook group, then we go out and people are just no one’s on Facebook anymore. And we’re like, okay, so we drop a little here there, you know, in lots of other places, but not that that level of content, but they can reach out to me, you know, Mary at Wilson hair collective. So we we had, we used to do our pre our program in person, I’m a great presenter, and we actually switched to creating it as an online experience. So we do it over three different weeks where they have homework and presentations to do in between. So it’s a little bit different. And it’s it’s really, it’s affordable too. It’s like 175 for members to 25 for non members. So it’s a great reef. We’ve had people who have been presenting for years, who said this really helped me sort of lock in structure and lock me up just tips and tricks and as as we said things that we’ve been exposed to over the years. We just completed one January February. So typically we for sure do it at the beginning of the year. Based on our travel schedule. It’s it’s not really achievable. So probably next January, February, and then next May Annie and I will do a retreat again. So it’s awesome.

Chris Baran 49:59
I want to shift over just a little bit more personal stuff in here on on that more from a personal growth side. So what do you guys do for do? How do you guys have mentors? Do you have outside coaching? Do you have that you personally do that? Just to help you evolve or whatever? What what did you guys do to stay? Keen that you stay abreast of what do you want to go?

Mary Wilson 50:29
We do we have a few industry veterans, you know, that have retired. Definitely Neil do cough is one of them. For me. Like he, when we were just starting to set up the structure of the business site.

Philip Wilson 50:40
He’s a key one, definitely. He

Mary Wilson 50:42
said, If you come, you know, if you want to fly here, and I’ll help you. And I’m like, Okay, I’m looking to fly, you know. So I think you I think it’s important that when someone offers you take them up on it. And I think you were saying that earlier in the interview with Philip. It’s like, Yeah, I do also feel and this is what’s really challenging for us right now is that the industry is changing so much that even if someone launched a product brand 10 years ago, everything’s different now, you know, so it’s very, it’s, it’s, it’s nice to get people’s perspective. And it’s also important to make the decisions that are right for you does, I don’t I don’t want to sound like we don’t have mentors, because we do a note Phillip talks everyday to his friend Robert Stafford, who is a distributor in Colorado. And you know, we definitely have people that we talk to, and we we seek counsel and we have friendships with but we we’re not really, we’re not really seeking a lot of coaching outside.

Chris Baran 51:41
Mentors are just people that you can talk to when you just say, Hey, listen, I got this, I got this crap that’s going on right now. Or I need some advice, or I I need clarity in some area that somebody can just give you a look at you know, you and give you honest feedback. Yeah,

Philip Wilson 51:57
right. We have that. Yeah. We have that in our circle. Absolutely.

Mary Wilson 52:02
So in any is one of those people to always Yeah.

Chris Baran 52:07
We’ve all gone through lots of evolution and what we do, where we came through and how we stepped up our games, etc. Is Is there something that each of you wish you wouldn’t have done? Along the way? Something that you did along the way? And it just turned didn’t turn out? Quite right. Something that you wish you wouldn’t have done that? I mean, I can tell I will tell you 15 or 20 that I wish I would have done but

Mary Wilson 52:33
you know, I would say for me, there every single one of them was an experience that sort of brought me to today. I mean, I can’t think of any. I really can’t I can’t think of anything. I guess that means I look back with gratitude. I think oh, I have one. Oh, go ahead. I thought you would well go anytime that I’ve said something that hurt someone. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And maybe I was being super honest. And just sometimes, you know, should do what my mom taught me. And if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything at all. Yeah, for sure. That are a few too many cocktails and said something that

Chris Baran 53:16
Yeah, yeah, none of us have done that before. Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah.

Philip Wilson 53:21
I think mine on a Chris on a hairdressing creative standpoint, was I think I I didn’t want to do the same as everyone else. I wanted to create my own thing. appreciating the foundation training I had in London, which was the best effort because the 70s was crazy good. But my I think one for me, it was I one time I listened to too many people that told me that, you know, what are you doing? That’ll never work? I think you should stop it. Just go just do what everyone else does. I thought, well, maybe I should. But then I have one person in my life say No, don’t. You’ve been trained the foundation do not listen to negative nancies. Because majority of the time they do not have necessarily the ability to break from the system themselves. So the first thing you do is run your ass down. Yeah. And I fell into that world. And then as Mary was saying about the bureau, it will ruin Barcelona. Pollack let me know but when you were there with Manny and I said I would. I met a person at the swimming pool. I was not in any of the seven hours I was there with Mary and Eric Fisher all the game dev videl was there. It was really amazing. Louise long garrison was it was one of my who I look up to immensely this person said it The swimming pool and set foot come over here. And I went over thinking while there’s no one else, Ron, I sat with him for an hour. And he said, Look, I know that you’re with me and I know what you’ve been doing. And I didn’t mean for people to blueprint, every single thing I did. I just wanted them to have sort of a frame and a canvas to paint their own creativity on. So continue what you’re doing, and don’t listen to negative people, or you will not grow into anything, what you want to do. Yeah. And that was Vidal Sassoon.

Chris Baran 55:33
Yeah, he would have never got where he was, if he would have listened to it. He was absolutely would have still been doing teasing hair and so on. Yes,

Philip Wilson 55:40
yes. Yeah. So just one of mine.

Chris Baran 55:43
Yeah, thank you. You know, I guess the one thing that I there’s not many things that I wish that I would have done differently. But the one for me was I, when I went down that path, where my salon, my name on the door, it’s got to be absolute quality. It’s got to be about this. And so on. And, and I know we have one friend from the BC area, while he was from Saskatoon, but then he is he had a chain of schools a chain of salons after that was, was Ken Fisher. And, and Ken Fisher who started chatters out of Canada and Tommy Guns and so on. And, and, and I remember being sort of friendly competitors in Saskatchewan. And I stayed by that rule, he opened up, you know, hundreds of salons, and I went on to become famous and he went on to become rich. So you know, I just too and I’m stealing a line that from Paula can’t me and about her and her friend. But that that, that if I had to do one thing differently, that’s what I would have done is I would have got a salon, I would have started a chain or a franchise of those that went along. That’s the only thing that I would have done differently. Guys, just we’ve got like a short bit left here. But I want to just throw out just what I call the rapid fire stuff. So and this could have I’ve never done it with two people before. So we’ll have to maybe make up rules here. But the rapid fire is nothing more than just if you think of Inside the Actor’s Studio that used to be on TV and they would throw out the names of they just say something. Whatever came to your mind as quickly as you can. What would that be? Yeah, of course rehearsing right now for people who are just watching the no rehearsing and you guys doesn’t matter the order you guys can you pick it out on your own? Okay, so first thing that comes first they can be different, they can be the same whatever. Okay? What turns on the what turns on the creative process for you?

Mary Wilson 57:56
For me, it’s being open. It is not being stressed. I can not be creative. If I’m overwhelmed. I’m you know, fear versus love all of that I have I’m so much more creative when I’m clear. So what turns on creativity for me is is anything color, nature. Yeah, yeah.

Chris Baran 58:17
Okay, love it, Philip.

Philip Wilson 58:20
Likewise. Okay, good. Interesting. Okay. What

Chris Baran 58:23
stifles it, Philip, let’s start with you. Wow, what stifles me. Not in most levels what stifles creativity.

Philip Wilson 58:31
Listening to negative nannies love it.

Chris Baran 58:35
Hey, Mary,

Mary Wilson 58:36
severest stress, overwhelm getting caught up in the minutiae instead of seeing the bigger picture.

Chris Baran 58:44
Okay, an event or show that you loved? You know, first one that comes to your brain? It man? What was it at met? No, I’m sorry, one that you did in the venture show that you did?

Mary Wilson 58:55
Oh, my God, I thought you said an Avengers.

Chris Baran 58:59
Let me let me slur a little bit more.

Mary Wilson 59:05
I, I think the biggest most prestigious and incredible experience that I had was the global salon Business Awards in Barcelona in 2004. I want to say 2004. And because it was the launch of the hair heroes book, and they were all there and this, it was just, it was just absolutely spectacular and life changing experience. Yeah, spending time with Vidal sitting in a room with just him and us and, and also him telling us that he became so much more balanced in his life when he just slowed down and he stopped throwing cones and he stopped yelling at people. And he started to listen more and just felt settled in who he was. And, and that was really big for Philip too, because Philip was like, oh, okay, that’s that’s something that I need to do. He’s still working on it, but he’s trying

Philip Wilson 1:00:00
I’m trying 9019 71 November, Alexander of Paris. Allow me to set one of his clients on metal rollers.

Chris Baran 1:00:13
Wow. Done. Drop the mic. Yeah. Drop a good in life and as in general life in general what do you dislike the most? Something in life? They boredom, boredom. Okay, good.

Mary Wilson 1:00:28
We if we could if someone said, Okay, it’s time for you to move every year we would pick up and move.

Philip Wilson 1:00:33
Yeah. Mary and

Chris Baran 1:00:34
I love to we love to Wow. That’s awesome. What do you love the most in life? Her. So there’s hearts that just came up on the screen. They’re

Philip Wilson 1:00:47
genuine, genuine. My wife, my wife, my wife and my son.

Chris Baran 1:00:51
Definitely love you the most Yeah, family. Well, there you go. trade offs. Most difficult time in your life. sepsis. Oh,

Philip Wilson 1:01:05
when I was diagnosed with sepsis, and I was informed of what the outcome of that disease could do as it took our dear friend Paul Berry. Yeah. It took him from here. Lying there thinking, well, one of two things I’m gonna make it out. Or I’m not.

Mary Wilson 1:01:24
Yeah, yeah. Well, probably that that same that seemed to I would honestly I’d say there’s so far, I think it’s yet to come. So I’m pleased to say that I can’t really pick a time that was really, really, really challenging. When I first moved to California. I moved out here with the guy I was dating and he we broke up after about a year and luckily, I love my job because I’m super close to my family. I was like, you brought me here, you, you know, you got me out here and I left everything behind and then I had to make a decision. Do I stay? Or do I, you know, go back to Iowa with my tail between my legs. And fortunately, I chose to stay so

Philip Wilson 1:02:05
you wouldn’t have met me?

Chris Baran 1:02:07
Yeah, we’re glad you did. This was things things that you hate most about the industry

Mary Wilson 1:02:14
the fragmentation how challenging it is for people to feel connected all of the things that are so different post COVID In regards I feel what what we’ve seen as we’ve been out there is that a lot of hairdressers retired left. So I think that the the number of people that are still working those that are are super busy, and they got their heads down doing hair. So for me, it’s I would love to see people being able to take that deep breath and explore more community. I feel like that’s that’s really difficult. I think mine Chris is when I talk to people whether they’re starting out or however long they’ve been in the business. Oh, I’m just doing this to you know, make some money on the side.

Philip Wilson 1:03:01
I don’t really interested much in doing this. I don’t look at this as a profession. And I stand there thinking there are so many things you could do. Why do you come into my world now that I’m so in love and passionate about? And you just do it for the time being and just to fill a void?

Chris Baran 1:03:18
Yeah, yeah. The person that you admire the most? And Mincy Minsi fellow admins head to toe

Philip Wilson 1:03:32
Wow, it’s a great question. I I guess Fidel, I, I’m trying to not be in that realm of 1000s going Vidal zoo, but for me, it was personal. And I would say Beverly Oh, no, I got to know extremely well. Something that

Chris Baran 1:04:01
people don’t know about you

Philip Wilson 1:04:05
I’m five foot 10

Chris Baran 1:04:07
all we would have never guessed that

Mary Wilson 1:04:15
well, some people do know this about me but not everyone knows about this about me because it was like one of our breakouts at Redken if I could do anything and be successful at it that I would that I’m terrified of I would become a stand up comedian.

Chris Baran 1:04:28
Oh you guys know that about me? But you know I can turn my feet around backwards right? Yeah,

Mary Wilson 1:04:38
can you do it? Maybe I’ve heard you say you can do

Chris Baran 1:04:40
it. Yeah. Perfect. Okay, good. I’ve got got a month off. Now. It could be different for both of you. You’ll find something about each other here month off. Snap your fingers you got a month off you can go anywhere you could do anything. What would that be? Phillip well

Mary Wilson 1:04:56
first. You mean like what we’re gonna do this year? Oh god.

Chris Baran 1:04:59
Yeah, could be didn’t go could be on your own you could be something you want to do together we can. Yeah, no but what so but

Philip Wilson 1:05:06
we’re going to air b&b it back home to London back home to my family Italy into France into Italy, England and Holland where it’s going to be, but there’s a second answer to that question. If it was single, no, oh, here we go. No.

Chris Baran 1:05:27
Pan out here.

Mary Wilson 1:05:27
It’s your no pad out.

Philip Wilson 1:05:30
I would like to with two or three friends, you don’t have that many friends. I know one friend. I’d like to work. Okay, where

Chris Baran 1:05:36
are we going? Is Chris is a Ducati?

Philip Wilson 1:05:39
What they call a Monterey, which is a multifaceted cycle. And I would like to go on a month motorcycle tour through Europe, Steven

Chris Baran 1:05:53
Lee. Lee already said on here I’m in. So okay. So okay,

Philip Wilson 1:06:00
good week, Lee. I think human AI will be awesome at that.

Chris Baran 1:06:03
Oh, I think so. To add on. The things you’re terrified of.

Philip Wilson 1:06:10
Spiders. Snakes.

Chris Baran 1:06:12
Ah. Oh, for sure. Okay, good. Here’s my favorite one. Favorite curse word.

Philip Wilson 1:06:21
Well, to English, the F word is normal. Yeah. It’s normal. You just say, you know, can you say? Well, yeah,

Mary Wilson 1:06:30
it’s a podcast. Yeah.

Philip Wilson 1:06:31
Okay. It’s well used to just like, you’ll be a friend in the pub, and you go down to fuck Aria. Great, man. God, Chris. You know what? You’re fucking great. Hang around when you say the F word. Yeah.

Mary Wilson 1:06:45
For me, it’s. I like to just like, say it when Philip doesn’t expect it because I really don’t swear a lot. So I’ll be like, that is so fucking stupid. Like fucking Not really.

Chris Baran 1:06:57
Yeah, that’s right. Yeah, it

Mary Wilson 1:06:59
makes me say it again. You go. Sorry. What was that? I

Chris Baran 1:07:01
love to

Philip Wilson 1:07:02
hear Mary say it because growing up, it was so it meant so such a multitude of thing. Oh, Mary says it. Yeah, it’s like

Mary Wilson 1:07:12
a hurricane. And I didn’t swear when my son was at like zero to 18 or 20. And then I was like, Okay.

Chris Baran 1:07:22
Free For All I was free for all

Mary Wilson 1:07:25
I was very it was a good a really good parent you were I also they they say that there are no stupid questions, but they those people aren’t married to my husband because he will ask stupid questions and I’m like, Are they save themselves to the questions but that was one so congrats

Unknown Speaker 1:07:46
the help

Chris Baran 1:07:49
Yeah, we’ll cut that out. We’ll cut that out. No, we weren’t Okay, good. favorite comfort food.

Mary Wilson 1:07:56
Macaroni and cheese. Oh, yeah, I can make some right now.

Philip Wilson 1:08:00
Yeah, my wife’s mac and cheese.

Chris Baran 1:08:03
Oh, good. salmon patties? Oh it salmon patties? Freddie Mac

Philip Wilson 1:08:07
and Cheese and it is to die I catch the fish

Chris Baran 1:08:16
Okay, something something in the industry you haven’t done but you want to

Philip Wilson 1:08:27
a while ago it was cut someone’s hair upside down in a massive stage coming 60 feet from the ceiling? No, did it

Mary Wilson 1:08:35
I always wanted to own a salon. And because Philip has like Been there done that he’s like, No, so yeah, I would say I just dealt with at like you Chris if I had all the right I love I love collecting and gathering and and supporting people. And I’m sure that was part of what you loved about it too. And building teams and so yeah, I would like to own a salon. Someday. Maybe when you’re gone for a month on your Ducati I’ll open a salon and there you go. The reason I brought that up Chris and I opened a salon together we

Philip Wilson 1:09:04
can appreciate it. The reason I brought that up is because I went to look at one

Chris Baran 1:09:10
oh, I’ve had a buy Ducati or a salon 47

Philip Wilson 1:09:14
years or one of my birthday bought me a Harley. And I sold it and I haven’t written for a while but we’re on the V about it.

Chris Baran 1:09:23
We’re on the rapid fire. You guys know what what a do over is right? What a do over? Uh huh. Yeah, good. Good. Because sometimes I think it’s just a Canadian expression because I’ve talked to so many people they don’t know what to do over is so if you had one thing that you would you could do over what would it be?

Mary Wilson 1:09:39
Oh, I would have tried to meet my husband sooner. Oh, there’s not enough days left in my life to spend.

Chris Baran 1:09:48
Wow, top that one

okay, here’s here’s an interesting one. To me. Oh, you couldn’t be involved with the hair industry? What would what would you do?

Mary Wilson 1:10:04
Oh, so many things. I would be an interior designer.

Philip Wilson 1:10:08
Oh I would be a lot of things. Yeah, I would be a I would want to be

Mary Wilson 1:10:18
able to tell the truth. I can think of too, right off the top of my head, sell cars, exotic cars, or his retirement job. He wants to work at Disneyland.

Chris Baran 1:10:28
Doing as Mickey Mouse.

Philip Wilson 1:10:30
I’d like to be a greeter at Disneyland, you know, with a very large stick or a cattle prod. greet people. Welcome. You don’t want to be here?

Chris Baran 1:10:42
Yeah, there you go.

Mary Wilson 1:10:44
I’ve never seen that person at Disneyland. But yeah,

Chris Baran 1:10:47
it’s a new job. If something they would go, Okay, this is something for you collectively. If you had one wish for industry, what would it be

Mary Wilson 1:11:00
less consolidation more coming together, showing up for in person opportunities to I feel like it’s so important. Na was amazing this year. And I think that everyone that was there felt that energy of being in person. There’s nothing that replaces it. I know. It’s hard. And I know, it’s different. But I would I would say, people showing up and putting themselves forward to be in person.

Philip Wilson 1:11:29
Yeah. understand basic cutting. Well, yeah.

Chris Baran 1:11:33
Yeah. Done dusted. That was a mouthful. Listen, guys, I just want to say, as always, I mean, we always had, it’s all shits and giggles when we go there. And I hope that people can get past that to know that there is lots of good stuff that came up from you guys on there. And I just want to say thank you guys for being on board. Thank you for what you do in the industry. And I wish you all the best luck and success in the world for Wilson collective. So it’s been a pleasure having you guys on

Mary Wilson 1:12:05
Thank you. And thank you, Chris, we know you know how much we admire you. When you said you know who’d like to spend more time with I was gonna say you.

Chris Baran 1:12:13
Well, let’s make that happen, because that’s an easy one to do. Yeah, we could. And that’s an invite right now. Get dresses out here. If you’re whether it’s fly out here or in your van, come and spend at least two three days, and then we’re going to pick you up guys, thank you again so much. It was an absolute pleasure. Thank you. Well,

Philip Wilson 1:12:34
my friend. Okay, cheers.

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