ep64 – Sean Godard

My guest this week is a multiple NAHA winner, a global brand ambassador for Redken, an Ulta Beauty Pro team member, an editorial stylist, and a celebrity stylist. Let’s welcome my friend, Sean Godard!

• Sean says to seize all opportunities as they come along, some might be unpaid but offer greater payout in the future
• Sean was handpicked to do Redken Artist Training very early in his career and although he was hesitant at first, he took the chance and found out that he had this ability he wasn’t even aware of
• Sean realized that his job as an educator was to help stylists behind the chair do what they do easier, better, and more efficiently

Complete Transcript

hris Baran 0:00
How great would it be to get up close and personal with the beauty industry heroes? We love and admire and to ask them how did you learn to do what you do? I’m Chris Baran, a hairstylist and educator for 40 plus years, and I’m inviting all our heroes to chat and share the secrets of their success

Welcome to head cases and I must say today is a great day because I have a friend, a comrade in arms that’s on and without giving them away who it is yet. He is a global brand ambassador for Redken, if you haven’t figured that out so far. He is an Ulta Beauty pro team member. He is multiple NAHA winner and nominee educator. He is an editorial stylist. He’s worked on manufacturers trend campaigns before, he’s a celebrity stylist. His audiences range from anywhere from in salon classes to a main stage of over 10,000 people. If I had to put three words down for to describe this individual, it would be talented, tasteful, and a transformer and He is a fellow Canuck. And that’s by the way, that’s aka Canadian for our non Canadian friends that out there. So let’s get into this week’s headcase Mr. Sean Godard. Sean, my friend, it is an absolute honor to have you here on head cases. How’re you doing?

Sean Godard 1:36
I’m doing good. It’s so good to be here. I know, we’ve been working on this for a minute and trying to connect and like I was saying, I feel like I haven’t seen you

Chris Baran 1:42
forever. It’s been the it’s been the eternal. I find this always in how do you get? How do you get everybody fit it in. And I know that with the scheduling that you have, and how sought after you are I just want to thank you because I know it takes a lot of time out of your life. But listen, in on I did mention that in our intro that we’re both clinical heads, and so from one Canuck to the other, just want to say Jesus Murphy, it’s great to have you on headcase, as you know, a user. It’s great. Hey, why don’t we let’s give her a beauty. Oh, give her that’s a Yeah, that’s right. And we got all the Timmies and Mark. You know, most people when I tell them about touques and mukluks, they have no idea what I’m talking about. So for the bolos listening and watching the tuk is literally wool hat that you wear all the time and, and mukluks are just

Sean Godard 2:39
beanie I think they are like, they call it your leather moccasins

Chris Baran 2:43
that have big, you know, leggings on them, etc. So just what have you ever had? When I know that happened to me when I went from being a Canadian artists to a US artists, there was some generally some confusion that always happen when I was speaking Canadian. Does that ever happen to you?

Sean Godard 3:04
It does, it comes out every now and then. Well, what just yesterday actually, a British person we all know yet. Scott called me out on my request for oat milk. But I said oat milk. She was like You really gave it that candy and mouth of the EU. Ooh. So that was just yesterday. But then in the hair world, there’s a lot of terms that are kind of different, like processes, processing. You know, that was the one that I really had to train myself on the American way. Because you’d say the now I confuse which is which but processing and you say that here and they’re like, what’s that mean? I’m like, well put it two and two together. It’s close. Yeah. And then of course, the universal one in my world is color with an overseas. Yeah, exactly.

Chris Baran 3:46
So I remember the first time that I that I think it was back in I’ll say in the 80s. And whenever, let that try to figure out what that was later. But I remember going to I think it was somewhere down south. I don’t know whether it was Alabama or where I was. But I they were talking about the weekend and what it what happened on the weekend before and I said all I said was, you know, we just with some friends and I was mad. I said just I was I was so pissed. And they said we’ll Why were you angry? And when I wasn’t angry? They said, Well, you said you were pissed. I said I was and he said Well, you said you weren’t angry and I said I know I was pissed I said so it turns out just for those you listening I’m gonna want to go with the long roundabout and make it like an apple Costello routine. But if you don’t know pissed here generally means you’re upset pissed in Canada means you’re drunk. So and I think there has been times when you and I have been pissed together so I just again you know, usually what happens and I always on head cases. I always want people to know your story first. So give us a little bit YOUR Story I mean, I know a lot of your story. But what what first of all, why hair? How’d you get into it? Was there ever anything else before etc?

Sean Godard 5:11
Okay, great. So yeah, why hair? Well, how I got into it was I was actually when I was younger really into doing art, and drawing, sketching, painting all of those things. Art was like my number one subject in school, one of the only ones that I got 100. And to be honest, that there was a drastic decline when it came to the other math and science and all that. So it really showed where my where my mind was living. And then I had the reality that what you start to realize that artists in that sense, oftentimes don’t make any money until after their debt. And I was like, well, listen, I’ve got expensive taste, I gotta figure out how to make some money now. So that’s, you know, kind of on the side, I was always interested in hair, because of course, it’s creative. And you know, when you’re younger, and in high school, you don’t always have the money to go to the salon. So you’re playing around doing your own hair, kitchen hair, if you will. And I was always pretty good at it. And so there would be times where I would go with a girlfriend to a salon and watch how the stylists would do her hair, or do that boiling or even perming at that time. And, you know, sometimes we wouldn’t be happy with the result. And what we would do is literally leave the salon, go to the drugstore next door, buy another bleach kit and another color kit to be able to continue doing the process. So I realized that I was like, you know, I’m kind of okay at this. But if I’m being real with you, Chris at the time, and you know, unfortunately, still to this day, some people don’t look at hairdressing as being a career. And so in my mind, you know, perhaps it was part of my upbringing, or being in a smaller community, being a hairstylist was really just like, kind of like a mom in the garage sort of situation like a little side hustle job. And I never really viewed it as a career. So one day, one of my good friends went to hair started hair school. And he was like, you know, I think you really liked this, you should consider doing it. And so I took the risk, because I honestly didn’t really have much else lined up for me in terms of what I wanted to do career wise. And honestly, I have not looked back once yet. Yeah. And

Chris Baran 7:13
I think that, you know, I know you and I know, I don’t have an eye on your, on your tax returns. But I and I, I know you don’t want me to and I don’t want to. But the reality is, I know that it’s it’s up there. And you know, and that’s what I think you touched on and I and it’s a real bee in my bonnet that I haven’t I don’t know if that’s Canadian ism, or it’s across the board. But it really bothers me, you know, because I think every industry has that where you have people, we have people that don’t want to put any energy into it and don’t make any money. And you have people that that put the energy in, apply themselves are okay with making mistakes, and they make a lot of money. And I And I’m saying that because I’d love to hear your take on that about what you when you talk to people about it, because here’s the reality for those people listening and watching right now. And if you’re just getting into the, into the industry, or let’s say somebody is enticing you to go into it, and your parents are doing what some parents do just say, Well, you’re not going to ever make any money in the hairdressing industry. And and I want you to relate to, to that. Tell me what you see. I mean, they look might look at you and you say, you know, you two guys are on this level. That’s not the level everybody else has. But you deal with people all the time, who are in the salon, you know, and it’s not necessarily in the trenches, I’d say in the limelight, and talk about what their earnings are like, etc. What do you see when you go out on the industry.

Sean Godard 8:48
So, you know, I see exactly what you said, there’s kind of two situations that you can put yourself in, and you can be the stylist that’s always trying to do more, or you can be the stylist that’s compliant in what’s being given to you. But I think the biggest thing that I would say on this, and it’s a hard subject, and I’ll use today’s world age myself a little bit here. But you know, in today’s world, everyone expects to be getting paid and seeing the financial value in their bank account right away. And the one thing I will share from my experience was along the way, sometimes opportunities aren’t always paid. But the opportunities pro like were proven to be invaluable in my career. And some examples of that Chris are really like, you know, a classic one mentoring and shadowing under people. You know, I was with you for years at the very beginning when we opened the exchange the record exchange in Canada. And so that’s on the education side, but then on a salon side, you know, taking advantage of doing models, or bringing in clients to try and change your books. You know, people always ask how can I get more creative clients or get them to do something different? And for me a big way that I did that was by doing a model that perhaps she wasn’t paying for her service but I’m able to get an image of it to put out there on social media. And we all know today’s world, social media is like the business card that we used to have, right? So you know, sometimes it’s about investing into yourself. And that’s not always a direct financial return that you see. But you do end up getting it back. Now with saying that Chris, some stylists out there these days, the money is in the biz, more than it’s ever been behind the chair. I feel like there’s certain salons I go to and certain stylists that I work with, that the income that they’re bringing in behind the chair just blows my mind that they’re able to do it. But it’s from working hard and being dedicated while you’re in there and not

Chris Baran 10:39
passive. Yeah, you know, you hit on so many points there that are near and dear to my heart. And I want again, I’m not trying to do this all as evidence to people Yes, I am. What am I saying? Who am I trying to kid? I went through the proofs in the pudding. Is that another Canadian ism? I don’t know. But I did a podcast a short bit back with Tom Kuhn who, if you when you looked at the numbers, he sent me all the numbers that they did. And they had, they did a huge analysis of our industry. And they said, if you take a look at C in our industry, here’s what I love. You have, if you’ve got, if you’re a wage earner, you’re gonna get at that wage. And that’s why I understand if you’re a wage earner, and that’s what you want. Great. But here’s what’s great about our industry, is we have the opportunity, if you want to put in one or two more hours, if you want to take another booking, you can set the wages that you want, you know, and if you so if you want to say look, I’m I can get a job. And I’ve heard so many people listen, why would I want to start in the hairdressing industry when I’m only going to make minimum wage for maybe a year? Well, yeah, okay, that might happen if you don’t apply yourself, but let’s just say that happens, let’s just say that there’s a, an hour, let’s say, it takes you a year before you getting a good lift and making 3040 50 $60,000 a year. But if you’re working in McDonald’s, and you’re still going to be making that same 15 or $20 an hour for the rest of your life. So like you said, there’s this opportunity that you have, and you just have to if you want to push more, take another client and get more education, you know, increase the value of your work. All of a sudden, you’re you can be 100, you know, 100k 100k earner, that Tom Kuhn when they did that analysis, because nowadays, people can, you can choose your own hours. So if you only want to work two to three days a week, you can work two to three days a week. There’s people that are out there that work. And I believe this and I know if Lee, if you’re in the background, I don’t know if you can send me a note or whatever. But I know that we talked to one person that was on and he has a person with him. That that is they just started out in the business. They’ve been thinking with them for about a year or two years. They’re working I think it was 24 hours or 18 or 24 hours a week, pulling in 100 grand. Yeah, that was with Daniel Mason Jones. And he’s got the number there 27 hours a week. And he was saying and 100 grand a year. And they think that you can’t make money in this industry.

Sean Godard 13:20
You know, Chris, I have a really real story that I’d love to share speaking about incomes like that for stylists. While you know, I’m partnered with Ulta Beauty. So we have a lot of stylists under us. And last year, we celebrated our first stylists that clocked in at $350,000

Chris Baran 13:36
that say that again? I think

Sean Godard 13:40
$350,000 and

Chris Baran 13:43
that is 350,000 don’t know, let me ask you the question, because the first thing everybody’s gonna say is, was that what they brought in are what’s that’s what they earned.

Sean Godard 13:58
So that was what she brought in. But here’s the deal app in this pay structure, what the higher you bring in the more commission you make, so she was clocking in 70% commission on the 350,000. Yeah, it’s like, and then also, we have 20 this year in the entire company that are clocking in 200. That’s amazing. So you know, and that’s in a more corporate salon structure, but that’s proof that sometimes the corporate side can work for you because you get that push of like education and all of those things that we were talking about. But yeah, the numbers out there are really high.

Chris Baran 14:32
And that’s, you know, it’s interesting, because I was talking to Gordon Miller and if any of you have not listened anything that Gordon Miller has to say, because he’s got his spot on with the industry and, and the pulse on it. And he was saying that really where a lot of the education is coming from right now is in in the corporate from corporate accounts, you know, so congratulations. So let’s I want to just take a quick step back because why we got into the meat heavy there, but I want to go who you were, and I want to go back to your origin like, well, I want to go back to like, what your what your roots? Were you, you said that you got into the hairdressing industry. And I want to know about first of all, like, what did your family say? What did your family say when you said you were going into it? Because that’s what we started all this so they,

Sean Godard 15:22
yeah, no, they were actually really supportive about the idea. You know, my grandmother was like my mother. So she loved the concept. I think she wanted to just get her hair done for for you to be honest. But she was all for it, because she knew that I was always creative. And, you know, at that time in my career, or where I did grow up for most of my high school years was Halifax, Nova Scotia. So, you know, that’s, that is a smaller town, if you will, especially in Canada on the East Coast. And so, you know, there wasn’t really a lot of like, what we would look at as being like super high end salons are that New York City salon, but we had a few standout ones that were cool. And, but you know, it wasn’t the same vibe. So to rewind a bit off of that, I went to school at the Hair Design Center, which was owned by Glen Baker, and Peter Mahoney, all redkin school. And so really, I started out basically working with red cam products. And right after I finished school, I graduated and went to the, you know, the nice bougie salon that was downtown Halifax. And that was actually a different brand. So that was an Aveda salons. So my first experience in the world was going from redkin into the world of Aveda, which we know they’re very different. But my point in this story is that in my first eight months of coming out of school, because of the drive that I had, and the support that I got from that salon in terms of continuing education, I already have a full, fully booked clientele. And you know, like you’re saying it, that really did a lot for my competence as a new stylist to be able to get fully booked that fast. And by pause there on that story. The one thing when I think about why that happened to me, is simply because I was different than everybody else that was there. And you know, we always talk about your personal brand and what you’re offering. It’s not just the way you look or the way you dress, it’s your vibe, your energy and and that how you do your services. So at the time, and you’ll probably remember this type of technique, Chris, I, you know, had all these DVDs of hairdressing things from different brands. And there was this hair cut that I’m sure you’ve done once upon a time or definitely seen. I think it was like a Rusk thing was during the time where they would do ponytails on the head and cut them with the textures. Some of those guilty. Guilty Yes. So at the at the time that like shattered Shaggy, you know, rocked out here was really what people were asking for. And the fact that I was able to do these ponytail things in the salon and really literally hack these people’s hair, and make it all shattered and crazy. One, they loved it too. It was quick, it was dramatic looking. And it really started to get this referral thing of this guy that does this crazy haircut. And meanwhile, I actually had no idea what the principle was, I get it now, because you’ve taught me but you know, I was just like it works. So let’s do it. And so yeah, back to the story. That was what got me there and got me noticed for being different. And then I was like, You know what, I have this itch to go to the big city, which in Canada, we know, it’s either Toronto or Montreal and My French isn’t that good. So Toronto, it was. And I, I took the leap with really just like one month’s rent in my bank account, and then went to the big city and started out there and wow, that was an eye opener because suddenly I was no longer the big fish in the small pond, if you will, I was the small fish in a very, very big pond. So I think sometimes people think, Oh, you live in a big city, you have an easy, it’s actually the opposite, the bigger the city, I think, and

Chris Baran 18:56
especially Toronto, I mean, out of Canada, and let’s see that I’d say you know, I’m gonna, I’m not going to be it won’t be fair if I if I said the major people that came out of came out of that, but obviously you had number one mass you had people had to survive there. And it’s Toronto is like New York, if you if you don’t do good work, and it’s not and it’s not a value oriented, then you’re gonna fail. And, and I think that’s there’s a lot of amazing, amazing hairdressers that came out of that Toronto, so I can certainly understand how, how and why you chose that. So now that now I want to go from there and jump into you move there. Yeah, how did you get your start? Because that’s the hardest part, I think for everybody to understand is when people go why education. Why do you want to why would you want to possibly risk I heard heard in another interview a while back and somebody said that public speaking is the number one fear and actually number one is not the number one fear. People put it at that one, the number one fear is actually public humiliation, and public speaking sets you up for that in the nth degree. So why did why on earth would you all of a sudden know, hey, I’m gonna go risk of being publicly humiliated by doing on stage? What was the catalyst for you?

Sean Godard 20:22
Honestly, that’s a great question and a good story for you here on this one. So, you know, when I got into it, I’ll backtrack to when I got into the hair world for a second, obviously, when you’re joining it, you don’t necessarily know that this world exists that were involved in now, you think it’s all about the salon and you know, maybe doing a photo shoot, but the whole concept of a stage show and a hair show, I had no idea. And actually, when I was at my school, I want to contest for like, best up to styling, which is funny, because in the beginning of my career, that was not my strength. And they that trip was to go to the ABA beauty show, which I’m sure you remember, well, you’re gonna remember because you were allied. Yeah. And it was a chance to have a look and learn class. And you and Sam, were doing it for one of the trend collections at the time. And I remember it so vividly to this day, Chris, when they open those doors, and I walked in, and there was this huge stage setup with all the lights and we’re all sitting at these tables. And I remember thinking, wow, I’d like this one feels like a like concert moment experience was pretty models everywhere, the hairs getting cut, and but to I was like, I could never do that. I’m way too. I was very shy, very quiet, and not the person that I am now. So fast forward to moving to the big city. I was working in a Redken salon at the time and one of the sales reps came in, and they were looking for new Redken artist and she said, I think you’d be really good at this. We’d love to get you in on a training for it. And I looked at her and I said I You mean were they get up there on the stage and speak and swing the scissors around. I was like, I don’t think I could I thought me like I’m more of a behind the scenes kind of person. And she goes, No, no, she’s like, we’ll bring you through the trainings, we’ll show you We’ll teach you all that stuff, how to be a public speaker just show up. And so, you know, I did, I took the risk with that and went on the first training. And I realized, actually fairly quickly within the training that I was grasping it a little bit better than some of the other people that were in that first group. And so I kept going back, you know, it was like maybe once a month, once every few months. And that’s really where I started to take off, I realized, I think it was two sided one, it was so amazing to me that such a big company like L’Oreal and redkin would be interested in the kid like me, I was maybe 22 at the time. So it felt good to feel like someone was interested in investing in me if you will. And then it what I loved about it, to be honest, at the time was the fact that they’re like, you get cheaper or free education. And I was like, Oh, I’m brand new, I barely make any money. I barely any money in my pocket. But you mean, I’m gonna get to hang out with these industry leaders like you and get to learn and for free. I was like, Okay, I’ll do that. So that’s kind of where where the journey all began. And actually, shortly after that is when I met Yeah, and

Chris Baran 23:20
when I want to jump back for a second, because what you hit on a really, really interesting point. We’ve all seen people that are endurance in our industry, and they’re very creative, and I commend them. But I think to be on to educate. And and again, I don’t want to take this away, and make it all about the platform, as we call it. You know, the big artists on stage. Everybody, to some degree is educating, you know, whether you’re in the salon just talking to an A to an associate an apprentice or whatever, whether you’re just talking to another hairdresser after a class or a show. Everybody has that ability to educate and the beautiful thing. And this item, I’m not going to go down a tangent here, but I think creativity gets a bad bounce. You know, every unfortunately I’m just going to say this out loud. Our education system in our schools beats the creativity out of you. If you talk to many people will say that that everybody’s creative. All kids are creative. But But school system and the way that we’re set up, takes it out. Give me clear, I’m not saying the teachers, I’m saying the system. So but going back what I always have noticed about you, especially in your education style, you have this unbelievable ability to take something creative and not talk about it from feeling. You don’t have to say well it’s kind of feel like this or do like that, or I’m kind of doing this. You have this unremarkable ability is a remarkable unremarkable. I don’t want to make it sound wrong. But you have this it’s good. You have the good ability to take the creativity, and then you can put it into words that are understandable. So you have that ability to take the creativity, make it logical, and give it the give it that life. So you, we can comprehend what you’re telling us to do. I think that’s an absolutely incredible gift.

Sean Godard 25:21
Thank you. Thank you. I think that comes from to be honest with you from watching so many different people different education forms, and learning what stood out to me and what I didn’t like. And sometimes I would find watching certain educators, it would be more you like you’re saying more inspirational or like aspirational, even maybe as the word but it wasn’t something that really related to salon life. And so when I was able to realize that my job as an educator, was simply to help people behind the chair, do what they do easier, better and more efficiently. Honestly, it took a huge load off my shoulders, of having to feel like I had to come up with these groundbreaking techniques and like really crazy out of the box things because as much as I love doing that stuff, I realized that the bread and butter behind the chair is usually more commercial consumer friendly work. So that’s really what helped me set up teaching. So simplified and clear is that we if we don’t overcomplicate things, and we realize just looking at principles, that we can create anything than those are the best gifts that you can share with him.

Chris Baran 26:32
I agree 100%. Because sometimes, that people get caught when they don’t understand a foundational element of something. And if that never gets in there, they don’t understand the hook, how it gets them from, here’s what I want to do, to achieving it. And, and they’re always babbling now and copying rather than understanding. And I think that’s part of what you have this incredible ability to do is to take something of that’s a complex, like if you take a look at some of the foiling or some of the patterns that you put in here to others could be astronomical. And I just say, Well, look, I love it, I like it. But I’ll never be able to do that. But you’ve got this ability to say take it and say, Here’s Step one, here’s step two, here’s step three. And that’s all you have to do. And I think that’s what that’s the mark of an amazing educator. And I’ve always seen that in you. And it’s just, you know, like I said, I’ve, I think we might have learned you might have learned a little bit from me, but I always learn a lot from you and all the shows that we’ve done together. So I want to jump back to Okay, now you’ve, you’ve jumped in, you got both feet in, you’ve had your training, and now they send you out on your first show. First show, what was it like?

Sean Godard 27:53
Well, I’m laughing because the first show was also an ABA show and it was in your hometown of Saskatoon, actually. So I just have to finish why I’m laughing because it really is sending me back to the flashback. The day before the the hair show started. It was the livestock show and the thing that venue. So there was a certain smell in the air, if you will. And a

Chris Baran 28:19
lot of we like to call it the terroir.

Sean Godard 28:26
Well, it was definitely yes. And it

Chris Baran 28:28
was a little hard to say put it on.

Sean Godard 28:31
Yes. And there was literally flies landing on my face while I was speaking. So that was the first experience I had on stage to talk about public humiliation. It happened really early on so

Chris Baran 28:44
what was it like? What what when you walked on stage for the first time because that’s what I think most people are getting. Okay, look, I’m in the salon. I’m doing good hair. But if I had to do it, what would that feeling be like when I walked on stage the very first time?

Sean Godard 28:58
Yeah, the best way I could probably describe it is it’s like when you’re on the roller coaster and you’re you’re about to go over the first like dip. So when you’re standing back there waiting to go up the stairs when you’re like I hope I don’t fall down the stairs and we’ve definitely both done that before. And to like What’s this moment going to feel like so you’re like on your way up, they call your name you walk out and it’s Yeah, it kind of feels like you’re you’re going down the roller coaster and to this day I still get that feeling within that first little bit of walking out. And you know, I think we’ve mentioned this before like that feeling is kind of what shows that you’re doing it for the right reason you’re, you know, you’re still wanting to connect with these people and hope that they’re gonna get a lot of great info from you. So yeah, it’s a whirlwind of emotions and and still to this day people ask Do you get nervous and 100% I do because I’m perfectionist in the way that I want to make sure that I get the best possible presentation and education in everything. You know, and

Chris Baran 29:54
I’m with you on that one because I remember I am saying this jokingly but it was almost like you Have a little pee that would come out just before he stepped on stage because it was so nervous. But I remember one person and like I, you know, we do a lot of training and teaching and whatnot. But I always feel that we got all of this stuff from somebody else, you know, we’re always taking what our teachers, mentors and coaches have always given us and plying that and bringing that forward. But I can remember, what helped me the most now is that when somebody said to me, I was ready to go on stage. And I was, as usually I used to be back on stage, walking back and forth and trying to burn off all this energy that I have. It was probably fear I was trying to burn off. But I remember I’d walk on stage. And I remember after the show, somebody could Why are you doing that? I said, Well, you know, I just I’m so my adrenaline is so high, I had to try to wear it off. And, and he said, Well, look at here’s what’s happening. You’re going out there and you’re sounding like, you’re nervous. You’re sounding like you’re, you’ve just had a No, I don’t do drugs. So I don’t know which drug makes you high. But so if I had a whole bunch of that, and he said to me, Listen, do you care about those audience members? And I said, yeah, just say, well, I say I care about you. And he says, Do you know your stuff? And when Yeah, he says, well say I know that I know. And I said, okay, and he said now he just say now say I know that I know. And I care about you? Is that I know about I know that I know. And I care about you? And he said No, listen, if you if you know that, you know, you know your stuff, if you care about them, you stop thinking about yourself. And that was one of the best things and it really helped to calm my nerves. So for people that are out there, right it whether it’s your stepping in front of a one person or 10,000 people, if you just care about the people that are out there, and don’t worry about making mistakes, you’ll be fine. And I’ve seen you do that. It’s

Sean Godard 31:51
no and like, well, I love that you said about the public humiliation because I think one of the biggest things to overcome is once you realize that it’s okay to humiliate yourself publicly, especially if that’s in your character like it is for us, then it takes that whole pressure off the hook and you’re like, Great, I’m just public speaking, sharing something I’m passionate about and good at with other people that want to hear about it. But you know, the humiliation when you said that does stand out to me, because that is a hurdle that some people are so afraid of crossing. But if you realize that we’re all human, and we all make mistakes, and if you laugh it off and handle it the right way. You know, what is it it’s just something funny for people to look back and read the remember I laugh about?

Chris Baran 32:27
Yeah, and actually, they’re actually endearing to you even more. When they see that you’re you’re a human being and not somebody that doesn’t make mistakes. This episode is sponsored by the salon associate accelerator from trainers playbook.com. Are you struggling with the time and cost of associate training? Do you feel like your salon is running you will get your associates on the floor, all with 90% Less time from you. So you can get back to building your business. Get them world class design, finishing color, and client care skills they’ll use every day for the rest of their career. While you focus on realizing your vision, go to trainers playbook.com and get the salon associate accelerator. And now back to the show. I want to go back to because we’re talking about shows here. And I know that you traveled the whole circuit and I I remember when I started I just I traveled I think five years with one company. I started off with L’Oreal and then I went to red Ken and I I did five years and then five years same show circuit, same same gigs all the way across. And, and I think in a while they were all great. I loved going to going to Newfoundland, you know. And going to the Reagan’s, do you remember the Reagan show? Always the best and you always what was at 10 Downing Street was their home address. They always had you over to the house. I always remember 10 Downing Street because I think that’s the same as the there’s the British Prime Minister lives in. And, and but they were so amazing. So I have to ask you a question. You know, I know you’ve been there. But have you ever been screeched in?

Sean Godard 34:19
I knew that you were going? Yes. I of course was screeched and I think that’s like an obligation of coming to Newfoundland. And I also heard I think it’s okay to say this, but I also heard a new term there that I you know, because there’s kind of a different dialect. Your words are used a little differently. And yeah, I’ve learned so

Chris Baran 34:39
that’s the term I want to say if I remember.

Sean Godard 34:43
I was talking about I forget what I was teaching, but you know, it was something about detangling and someone in the audience put up their hand and so I answered her question. And she said, What do you do when the hair gets right click, and I paused and I said it Excuse me, and then everyone that’s from there started laughing they’re like clearly me and I couldn’t use that in the dictionary before I got here before that’s the screeching by the way. Yeah,

Chris Baran 35:14
just so everybody can if you don’t know what the screeching is mean, is that when you’re screeched in they have it’s it’s a rum screech is a rum that they used to make during wartime and it’s nasty I guess that’s the only thing that I can I was like are you good? No no it’s nasty and but you will get a Mickey and the Canada and Mickey is just a small bottle and and they’ll pour you a shot and you have to get screeched in means and I’m going to is it okay maybe if I I’m going to try it. I’m going to try the same here. And so what you have to you have to I can’t remember the exact order but you have to say this saying and then you have to I think you have to kiss the cod and the cod is usually a dead cod that they have in the freezer. And they bring out for this ceremony and and and so here goes I’m going to try it. I haven’t done it in probably 10 years so I want to follow you mess it up. Oh, and I think I’m gonna mess it up. I think I’ve forgotten God no, it’s gone. It was I know it was OSI M meal jib Gibb. If you ever been Have you ever been screeched in to which you answer. Oh si M. Mele call No. Yes. Oh yes. Oh si M mele, COC. And long may your long jib draw. And I think that’s what you have to answer. And then you have to kiss the cot and then shoot the room. And and you have to remember the saying because if you can’t get the same, right, you have to do it again. So yeah, interesting. But God bless the organs. And that show was was always amazing. I remember and I’m gonna ask you, if you remember. And then the interesting show story prank or whatever. But I remember Shelley Wagner was, I think she was I can’t remember what her what her title was at that time. But I remembered this. No, this one was in Halifax. And a member in Halifax. Yeah, that used to stay down below. And then you had to go, you had to go up to kind of the hill. And there was a back way into the convention center. And I remember having this the cart and we had everything, all the mannequins, all the stuff piled up. And we had to do our own ironing. And the one thing so we had a we had an ironing board at on the top. And so we thought it would be really funny if we got Shelly to lay on top of the ironing board on top of everything on this hotel cart on the hill. And we were we would I pushed her God knows I was lots that was a little bit stronger than I am now. But not that she weighed a lot that was a lot on there. And I remember pushing her up the ramp, we had to go up this long, long ramp and then we went into the convention center. And I remember hit a bump. And then it was like slow motion but all the boxes came down almost like a ski slope. And so it was one box and like 10 boxes, five boxes, four boxes, three boxes with this ironing board on top with with Shelley on top of it sort of riding surfing this thing laying down going down on the thing and it was just it was it was maniacal, but I remember the all these great stories from doing shows. Have you got any? Is there any like that pranks? Things that you used to do?

Sean Godard 38:42
Yeah. Oh, still? Yeah, there was. Still I Yeah, you know, I gotta get back into pranking people. But you know, the energy was law for a few years now. So maybe we’re back into being happy. Yeah, thanks, God now, but a good one that we used to do was for the colorist, you know, they if someone’s preparing their bowls to put up on stage to be ready for the demonstration and we would, you know, normally you’d have your brush resting right into the bowl. And there’s like a little lip specifically on the right Kimball’s to hold the brush, we would glue the color brush to the lip and then fill the bowl with the product. So when they would go to talk instead of just the brush coming out. The whole ball is moving and they’re very confused about what’s going on. And cause a little bit of chaos. So that’s one that comes to mind. Oh,

Chris Baran 39:29
Lord, I mean see that’s what that was see. For anybody wanting to get an education you see that? There’s the camaraderie in the community that goes along. And you know what I love that’s nowadays is it used to be just amongst your we call it a tribe them but you called it you just your community if you had to read come community did but what I love this happening now is so many of the educators from all of the companies are getting together and having a community and it’s more hairdressers supporting hairdressers, I think as Sam be our good friend point that expression. And I think that’s what’s great about there now is is that some of the competition has, I think it’s always competitive. But the competition, and the holding everybody apart is gone. And I think it’s everybody is now much more, I’d say friendly out there, what’s your vibe and feeling on that?

Sean Godard 40:23
100% I think it’s so nice that we’ve, you know, I think I think about like this, it’s like a sports team, we all have our team rooting for our brands, but at the end of the day, we’re all playing a game together. And so I think being able to remove that ego of like, you know, the competition, and realizing that at the end of the day, we’re gonna have people cheering all of us on no matter what, and we’re all doing the same thing. So let’s break down that wall. Because half the time we’re on the same circuit together anyway, you know, like, you see the same people. And I remember back in the day, it would be like, you’d see these big artists, and I’d sit there and they’d act like they didn’t know, yeah, sort of thing or like, you know, not really acknowledge. And now it’s so nice to go to these traveling circus events, if you will, and have a little family that’s not even on playing on the same team. But you know, you’re all doing the same thing. And, and I think what what it’s really done is helped to open up the world of education, and really help to get everybody up to a better speed. And so some people might look at that as well, I’ve lost my edge in a way because I used to be the better educator or the better brand education. But at the end of the day, I think it’s just again, we’re all there for the same purpose to help stylists. And

Chris Baran 41:34
I think, whether you’re educating in the salon or whether you’re educating on the road, I think one of the purest moment is they always say when the student passes the teacher doesn’t mean the teachers worth any less. But when you can be involved in somebody’s training, where that person actually passes you, and you can go, yes, you know, that that just for no other reason than that person now, as has risen up, and they now can teach, they now can have some of the glory too. I just, that sounded all wrong when I said the glory, because that’s not what it’s necessarily about, but, but being able to go ahead, but I

Sean Godard 42:16
know, I know what you’re saying with that. It’s like being able to and you know, you’ve always been so great about that, with with me growing up through the years, you’ve always encouraged me to have a bit of the I guess spotlight even as what we’ll say and or opportunity is a better way to put it. And I think that’s the sign of any great leader is realizing that we’re all here as leaders to be able to help other people. And when you’re able to help that junior or newer person, be able to come up and play at your level, it feels great, because you’re like, Why does my job right? I did my job well, and you can both celebrate that person gets that moment in the spotlight, which they’ve been trying to achieve. And you get to pat yourself on the back being a proud papa bear, if you will, of like, you know, I I’ve got many children now that I’ve passed. Yeah.

Chris Baran 42:58
Yeah. Because I mean, that’s, that’s a part of legacy, isn’t it? I mean, you know, we’re all doing it, building it up. But at the end of the game, you know, we’re all going to pass on but you hope that your legacy, your it’s not your name, something that you’ve done is going to be passed on, you know, to other people. And I think that, to me is legacy of what you leave behind is always a great thing. And I and I know you’re gonna have that you’ll have that amazing part in your history. I want to jump back to because there’s a few people that we have lumped in a lot of educators nowadays state some do their own thing. Some are with a manufacturer, but you’ve kind of crossed that line in a in a great way where you you’ve been involved with the manufacturer, but yet you’re involved with, with with the ultipro team, we have this, this superstar lineup of different hairdressers, different educators from different companies all getting together amalgamating on one show. And being a that you have your own little community there. But I’ve seen you as a workhorse. I want to talk a little bit about what’s it like to be on that team. But also I’ve seen you do work for Alta on one stage, organize your timing and your unread can with another stage. And I’ve seen you like running from model room to model room getting thing What is that like explain what that’s like from a mindset aspect as well as the reward that you get out of it from doing that.

Sean Godard 44:31
So from the mindset aspect, obviously things need to be really buttoned up and prepared and clean on my hand are in my head leading up to it. So I have to be very clear on what my expectations are with each brand what my models are going to be. But you know, like anything, Chris, the team is one of the most important thing so who I have supporting me, especially when I am sometimes it’s literally a 15 minute turnaround time to run to another stage and get to that model. I need teams on both sides that are setting me up to win. And kind of like stepping up to the plate of being that leader. So team is the most important thing that make that successful. But in the reward in it for me is really, like I said, being able to be exposed to to two platforms, if you will have opportunities to share with stylus and be able to get even more content out there. So I’m usually sharing one message on one stage and a completely different message for the other stage. So that way there for me, it’s kind of like filling my creative cup. You know, for example, in red can oftentimes I get, I don’t want to say typecast because that sounds like a bad word. But I get pushed as being like the colorist. And oftentimes, and I’m fine with that I love color. But you know, I love to do finish into and with being on the altar team, they really celebrate my the diversity of being a finisher. So it allows me to fill my cup in different ways that I wouldn’t get if I just stayed in, in one situation, I guess. And I

Chris Baran 45:56
have to say that the the proof in the pudding in that one to use that second that that that one twice, is I never knew that you were even up until about, I’m saying, What about five, six years ago, I didn’t know that the quality of the work that you did, and finishing and I have to say that there’s so few people out there that can master two or even three disciplines. But all they have to do is look at your, your finishing work in you know, and I’m just gonna say it’s finishing work is not just an aha, but in your photographic collections in the work that you do with, with campaigns because you’re involved so involved in in doing photoshoots and campaigns with manufacturers, etc. And quite frankly, 100 years ago, I was thinking well, you’re just so in, you know, focused and your lane was color. I was thinking that you had somebody else do your finishing, but damn, it was all you and I even in the last shoot that we did together. I mean, I picked up stuff from you. And I’ve been doing it for like a week and a half. But I don’t know where you got the your tips from. But I’ll tell you, you have an amazing eye, then here’s the point amazing i to do it in real life. But there’s another thing for your eye to do it in photograph. I want to talk about that a little bit what when you’re doing a photograph for a collection and you’re under the eye of the camera? What do you do different? What do you have to look at? And what are the things you think about.

Sean Godard 47:37
So first off, I have to say where that really came from was when I joined with the Ultimate Pro Team and being around so many other people that were already established as like the finisher sort of thing. So that was where I got a lot of those great tips. But the reality is, is that when you’re working on the camera, and you know the stylists in the salon know this too, when you’re taking photos of your work to post on Instagram, what the camera sees, and what your eye sees are completely different. So it’s about understanding, lighting, it’s about understanding balance and proportion in the hair shades. Sometimes what we see in person is looking like big or volumous. When you shoot it on a on the film, it’s actually very small. And so you know, it’s really important to be able to check what it’s going to shoot like, you know, oftentimes when we do shoots, we have a test shoot also to see. So there’s a lot more work that goes into it than people think about sometimes it’s not just about doing the pretty hair that looks good in real life, it’s understanding the lighting, the situation, you’re going to be on what’s the set look like, you know, what’s the vibe and the energy of the model is going to be are they going to be moving around, there’s just a lot of different things to take into consideration. So

Chris Baran 48:46
I’m gonna just jump back in there too, because I always as I remembered what I was so impressed with when I watched you shift from stage to stage, and having people backstage and support you is you always stepped on stage. And you always recognize that person, you know, because I think the more that you can, when you say look at I’ve had a lot of help in that, especially on stage that gives that bump up to that other person and and it sees that they see you as a human being and that I think there’s so many people that we can use them get advice from nowadays, even if you’re if you’re in a salon doing things on your own and you’ve got things get get somebody that can be an assistant to you even if it’s a you know, a visual personal assistant, you know, get somebody to help you along with your stuff so that you have more time with family and friends, etc. And right now my family is probably looking at me going What the hell are you talking about? So because I don’t but that’s one thing I’ve learned along the way I want to jump back now and say like your that that ability, the things that you got or the tips, who were the people that that really helped you along in adjusting your eye for finishing.

Sean Godard 49:56
So really some key players in that was Nick Stenson, of course, solid finisher won tons of awards, he has a really great eye when it comes to photo work and how to exaggerate and amplify things that like I said, in real life, they might look a little off. But then when you see it in front of a camera, the shape the silhouette fits, because of the way the camera plays tricks with you. Another huge one was Amman Carver, of course, a phenomenal finisher, he really took me by the hand and helped me and honestly, what really came from that sometimes you don’t realize this, especially when you’re, you know, up and coming, or maybe haven’t had your big break in that world yet. You don’t realize the importance of someone like that being a mentor and saying, I believe in you. And you have you’ve got this and do it. And he was a really big player for that for me that when I just met him when I moved to New York, and he said, Yeah, I believe in you, you got this and just kept pushing me and pushing me and pushing me. And that gave me the confidence that I needed to be able to then go off and start doing these big campaigns on my own, and not having the fear that I’m not good enough, which I think is a common thing that we doubt ourselves. Like, I’m not good.

Chris Baran 51:06
I think that most people out there other than, you know, I’m gonna label it. But I think most people have that little some spells of imposter syndrome and a little bit of insecurity that comes in there. And so but first of all, I would be remiss if I didn’t say, congratulations, because one more time, you’re nominated for navajas color award. And your work is amazing, as always. And so first of all, I want to say congrats. Secondly, I think that this is even a greater compliment is that I’m noticing other people entering nah, ha. And there’s couple that are in other categories. who literally, I went that Shawn that Sean’s work to and I look at the name, and it’s not Sean’s name. So you’re either mentoring people or these people are really excited about your work. And so how do you feel about that?

Sean Godard 52:08
Well, here’s the funny thing, actually, with first off again, thank you for the congratulations. I’m really excited about this shoot. And I feel like it’s been one of the best ones that we’ve done to date, growing getting better. But what was really interesting about this is that when we did that shoot Ulta Beauty was fortunate to, to sponsor us on that. And we did a week long shoot where they believed instead of us coming together as the pro team, which we’ve done for so often, that they were going to break up that budget and give each of us our own teams to mentor under us. So I had two stylists that I was mentoring under me. And one of them her name is Janelle, she’s actually nominated in the category with so that my mentee that shot the same day that I did, we I helped coach her, give her all the advice and all of that I’m so proud of her that she’s nominated in the same category as me. And some people might be like, well, don’t you feel like competitive about that? But no, again, it goes back to what I was saying about being a leader. I feel so great that this younger stylist that hasn’t had as much exposure or opportunity is that I have was able to come up and play in the league with with people like us. I mean, so that we’re the one that you’re thinking of why it might look like mine is because it was I didn’t do it. Yeah, definitely still do itself. But with Matt Yeah. And

Chris Baran 53:20
see, I think that’s the key part of mentoring. Mentoring doesn’t mean doing mentoring means is you give them the the tools so that they can do it themselves. And I think that’s admirable and I know I on that vein, I know I was talking to Christopher Benson the other day and and and I think that he does a lot of shoots for other people like I know. Braden Peltier has pellet yeas, as we both know, friends of ours. He he is up for some awards as well and asked Christopher, so what’s it like when you’re doing the fold? You’re doing the photography, and you’re helping them along? And now they’re in the same category? How do you feel about that? And he said the same thing you did? He says, Look, that’s a win for me. Whatever, if they win, I win to, you know. Exactly. Yeah. So it’s I commend that. And that’s one thing I’m loving about our industry right now is how we’re willing to help each other.

Sean Godard 54:18
Well, I want to share with you one more point on this because I think you’ll find it interesting, that same shoe. So she did all of her preparation because you know, PrEP is one of the most important parts of a shoe and got to New York. She’s from Utah, got to New York and the day of the shoot, she tested positive for COVID. So her first kick at the can. She tested positive for COVID. But because she prepared she had everything done and ready to go for the shoot. So myself and Danielle Keesling, who was also on the team were able to make her shoot come to life with her on wow and be able to still and then she’s still pleased with it. So we’re just so proud of that and I think it’s just such a cool story. To really show you how key the setup is, when you’re walking into anything like this, and just in case, anything could

Chris Baran 55:07
happen, Daniel Kiesling, there’s another name that if people don’t know, and I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t, but you should, because she is. She is just phenomenal. Now, the, I just want take a little switch back, is your first exchange class. And for anybody who doesn’t know, like, it doesn’t know it read can exchange in New York City, you’re in New York City, it’s a we have an amazing facility there that has just focused everything on education. And it’s one thing everybody wants to be there. But there’s obviously not enough room for everybody to do a program there. What was that like for you? Right?

Sean Godard 55:49
So my first time going to the New York exchange was really, really intense. because prior to that, you know, I had been with you several years at the Toronto exchange, but let’s be real, it didn’t have that same vibe and energy that the New York one does. So you know, my first time going there and teaching a class there, I was actually working with Lori’s Abell, and Lauren Hagen, two of our friends to this day. And so I remember one, I’ll just say, What a great set of leaders for me to come in with to be my mentors in that situation, because they took all of the stress and pressure off of me and really helped guide my hand through it. But because without that, we know like, walking into something that it’s like a well run machine, and there is not really a lot of wiggle room for error. And, you know, it’s like a full blown production out there, I can exchange. So it’s just was so important to have someone to build a walk me through all of that, so that I felt better and more confident about my first time there. But the experience walking away from it, it was it was really great. In the end, we had a nice, solid packed class. And, hey, I got asked back again, ever since then, you’re

Chris Baran 56:59
probably one of the most regulars that are there. Now. I want to go to some rapid fire things that we have in just a second. But the one thing that I want, I want you to just touch on, because I’ve been in classes when you’ve done it, and I, I see how you do it. So I want to talk to just a bit about wig work. And and when you’re doing a shoot when you can use a wig when you can’t. And what’s the differences? And what advice would you give people who want to use a wig? And because we all know that you can’t get a model. And this is still one of the bugbears that I have they want. Right now you almost have to use professional models almost have to in order to get the emotion across. But you’re not allowed to cut or color their hair on some some Yes, some No. What’s your thoughts on that? And how do you how what would you advise people? What advice would you give people if they want to use a wig?

Sean Godard 57:56
So yeah, I mean, that’s the reality, sometimes you have to use a way to get the result you want. And to tell the story, I think is the most important part about that, because it’s not about it just being the professional model, it’s about who can carry the story or the look event. So with working with wigs, the biggest thing that I can say is that you know, you get what you pay for is the easiest way to put it. So unfortunately, the more expensive it is, the more realistic it’s going to be. But you and I know that it’s for photoshoot especially, it’s not all about it being you don’t have to have the most expensive wig. In fact, you know, we love to make the wigs as well. So the biggest thing that I’ll say though, is wigs and extensions is that they don’t respond to hair color the same way that a normal head of hair would and not even the same way that a mannequin head would because a lot of the times the hair has been treated with so many different processes and bleaching to get it to whatever color it happens to be when you receive it. So my biggest learnings with that is understanding that sometimes the first layer of color that you put on when you wash it off, it might not be really hot, it might be looking a little sad. So learning that sometimes it actually takes like three to four layers of the color to be able to get the effect that you want to see. So I think my first time trying that I was like I ruined the wig and like kind of discarded it you know, but then I understood better that it’s really like you’re filling the hair back in especially if you’re starting with like the classic 613 blonde color, you know that yellow blonde, you’re really having to fill it back in and add layers to it to get that depth or saturation that you want. And then the other thing that I would share for it is it’s really important especially when you’re working with a lace wig to be very cautious of getting color on the lace so because that will stain it and ruin the whole illusion and usually Lace Wigs are more expensive. So that will that will ruin the illusion of the lace and the good news is for anyone that’s watching that happens to work with red skin hair color I can happily say that shades EQ glass will not stay in the lace on the wicks so you’re not as a one safety net which shades it You and a wig work is that it’s going to wash right off that plastic mesh that’s on there and not cause you any grief with standing. However, when you move into certain brands of permanence or Vivids that’s when it’s going to stand so you really have to do especially

Chris Baran 1:00:13
if you’re leaving any of the lace around the face. Or if you have some of the parting showing. Exactly.

Sean Godard 1:00:18
Yeah. Bartlein Yeah, for sure.

Chris Baran 1:00:22
So when it comes time for our rapid fire, just first thing that comes off the top of your head okay, what turns you on in the creative process?

Sean Godard 1:00:35
Really seeing a vision come to life in the end I love being involved in all aspects of it. And then when I finally get to see it come together like the NA shoot for example. That’s what I love about the creative process what

Chris Baran 1:00:46
stifles a creative creative process for you.

Sean Godard 1:00:51
overthinking honestly thinking too deep on it. I someone said recently, the more you think on it, the less of

Chris Baran 1:00:59
an event or a show that you love. I mean, you’ve done many but what’s that comes to your brain? What’s the one that you just went? Oh my god, I could quit after that one.

Sean Godard 1:01:10
The first one that came to my mind when you said that was one of the fusion events in Canada. You’ve been there you know, those are always a nice big show. And I think well I looked at it kind of like a homecoming like have made it sort of thing like finally getting on that stage was like okay, I did it things

Chris Baran 1:01:24
in life that you dislike the most life in general.

Sean Godard 1:01:29
Life in general, slow people I think I don’t know if that became from a New York thing. But I have anxiety about people

Chris Baran 1:01:37
that you love most about life.

Sean Godard 1:01:41
What I love most about life is just the opportunities that you can really steer it the way that you want to take it.

Chris Baran 1:01:46
Most difficult time in your life.

Sean Godard 1:01:50
Most difficult time was probably that transition from Halifax to Toronto and figuring out will actually make this happen.

Chris Baran 1:01:58
Proudest moment in your life.

Sean Godard 1:02:01
My proudest moment? Wow, that shouldn’t have been that hard to think of but you know, you gotta go through the Rolodex I would say it’s honestly been being in New York City. I think this has been like the peak Yeah,

Chris Baran 1:02:12
it is certainly a country unto of itself. Yeah things that you dislike about our industry

Sean Godard 1:02:22
you know, I dislike the the hate that people put on like social media. For example. I think if you don’t have anything nice to say, let’s keep moving.

Chris Baran 1:02:29
And what tell us what do you what you love about our industry the most?

Sean Godard 1:02:35
What I love is that aside from those haters out there, there’s even more supporters that are willing to help anybody and help lift them up.

Chris Baran 1:02:41
And I agree with you on that one. A living person that you admire the most.

Sean Godard 1:02:50
I live in person that I admire the most love that is a hard one. I mean I’m sitting with one right now honestly, I do owe a lot to you to Sam you know all of the all of the OG and

Chris Baran 1:03:00
Sam eases me is amazing people. A person you wish you could meet living or dead

Sean Godard 1:03:08
a person I wish I could meet Well, I It’s I’m like a fan girl of Mariah Carey. And that’s my goal celebrity of whose hair I really want to do one dance so what

Chris Baran 1:03:16
do I use? She’s She lived two doors down for me in New York. Yeah, well, we were on Broadway. She had the penthouse suite. We didn’t have to test something that people don’t know about you.

Sean Godard 1:03:35
My feet well, a fun fact of people don’t know is that I have never driven a car in my life. I have no clue how to drive. You and Jeremy it’s weird. But I was really good at video games. I feel like I got through there. I could figure it out. There

Chris Baran 1:03:47
was an emergency you and Jeremy cote would would get along fine. He’s never driven a car either. And I know

Sean Godard 1:03:53
it’s a fashion it’s a fashion gaping we don’t dry. Exactly.

Chris Baran 1:03:59
Let’s see a month off. Where would you go? Where would you call? month off? What would you do?

Sean Godard 1:04:05
I would be the I would be probably in Europe. I’m more of like a city type of person. I love to go and explore cities and see all the people and sights and inspiration. What

Chris Baran 1:04:16
country in Europe is your fav?

Sean Godard 1:04:19
That’s a hard thing. There’s still a few that I have to hit but I would say I do love going to Paris a lot. Yeah.

Chris Baran 1:04:27
So to my mind, not I love Italy. That’s one of my faves in the world. I haven’t been yet that’s it’s I just absolutely adore Italy. And my it’s the same as Greece. I would say go go to Rome or go to Athens spend a few days there but then get out in the country. That’s where that’s where the amazing stuff is.

Sean Godard 1:04:53
I should say Greece do I do really? I think there’s something magical about Greece because it’s so unique from everywhere else in Europe because it’s time Wait, hold everything else

Chris Baran 1:05:01
your greatest fear.

Sean Godard 1:05:04
greatest fear I think heights I’m really afraid of heights

Chris Baran 1:05:11
terrified of heights. I favorite curse word.

Sean Godard 1:05:15
Favorite curse word I like to use.

Chris Baran 1:05:17
The classic because it can be an adverb. It can be a noun. It can be you know an adjective. Whenever you want it to be exact. Yeah. It’s just sometimes for emphasis. Just exactly. A favorite comfort food.

Sean Godard 1:05:36
favorite comfort food is probably like I was about to say it’s not good for you. But yeah, it’s comfort food like mac and cheese, maybe mac and cheese.

Chris Baran 1:05:45
If you could change one thing about yourself, what would it be?

Sean Godard 1:05:54
That’s a good question, too. Probably. To be taller. I don’t know. I’m already tall but I do wish

Chris Baran 1:06:00
I am. I always say I’m just I’m not It’s not that I’m not tall enough. It’s just It’s for my body mass index. I’m I should be seven to your most, your most treasured possession. My dog will tell what kind of dog? I don’t know. It gives us a fro. I didn’t know that. I didn’t know that. Something in the industry that you haven’t done, but you want to? We’re putting the vibe out there now.

Sean Godard 1:06:34
Yeah, that I haven’t done that. I want to I think I would I you know, I’ve never worked on like a like a music video or like video production and like a movie type thing. So like a video movie, something like that could be fun to do. I’ve not done that world.

Chris Baran 1:06:48
If you had no, I won’t. I won’t want to preface this. I won’t take nothing for an answer on this. Okay. Because some people will always say, Well, you know, you’ll get it when I if you had one do over in your life. What would it be?

Sean Godard 1:07:04
Oh, that’s that’s definitely not a nothing. Something that’s like career related, I would say is there’s some risks that I didn’t take because I was afraid of them in terms of Making Moves career wise. And I there’s some of them that I would have done over it. Take it taken the risk and not held myself back.

Chris Baran 1:07:23
And I’m I always want to wondering whether people went are going to go really deep and Comey exact details, or where they’re going to do that. I remember doing one with I think it was with Trevor Sorbie. And I said what was it he said, Mary? I wouldn’t have married my first wife and when that was TMI. Okay, tomorrow, you couldn’t do hair or anything hair related? What would you do?

Sean Godard 1:07:53
I would probably. But yeah, I mean, these are thoughts that I’ve actually had recently. I’m like, what would I do if I couldn’t do hair? I would probably do something like involving a store. I’m always into like the concept of like, maybe a retail shop or some sort of like, vintage type store. We know those work really well these days. So something like that.

Chris Baran 1:08:14
And I want to I want to do this before I asked you this last question. Because people are gonna want to get a hold of you if they I know that you think that you do. Everybody thinks you just do nothing but mainstage but you do in salon classes and at all. If people want to reach you to book you for a class. How do they do that?

Sean Godard 1:08:32
Yeah, you can hit me up on Instagram. It’s at Sean Godard and dandy God clarity. And also, if you happen to be a redkin account or a L’Oreal account in general, you can book a class with me with your level loyalty points. And you can do that all online.

Chris Baran 1:08:49
Okay, last question. If you had one wish for industry, what would that be?

Sean Godard 1:08:57
To realize that everybody has value within the industry and we’re all equals, that’s amazing.

Chris Baran 1:09:05
Shawn, I call you friend as well as a teacher mentor as well. But you know, we’ve been we’ve been friends for years now and I just I know how busy you are. But I also how I know the effect you had on the industry. So I just want to say for everything that you’ve contributed for giving up your time and being here. I just wanna say thank you. It was a pleasure having you on here.

Sean Godard 1:09:28
Thank you so much. The pleasure was totally mine.